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 @yogthos Just to play Devil's advocate: What are the alternatives? XMPP might be, but they haven't been able to get their shit together for a decade and a half regarding... well, everything. Jabber is in shambles, especially regarding E2EE: https://soatok.blog/2024/08/04/against-xmppomemo/ Matrix just has awful protocol design that crumbles under its own weight. Don't believe me? Try visiting #matrix:matrix.org. So... We're kinda screwed, aren't we. 8 comments
 @krom Well, that explains it. Try joining from another server. Preferably, from some server you don't particularly like. They don't call this room "a server killer" for nothing.  @drq I'd say it really depends on your threat profile, for vast majority of people it really doesn't matter all that much. Honestly, the best practice is to just not do any sensitive communication online in the first place. I'd also argue if you do want to do that then running your own server for people you know personally might be the best option. Being in control of the server removes the concern about e2ee as well.   @drq @yogthos Re "what are the alternatives", as far as I can tell, Quiet (https://tryquiet.org/ ) for group chats, but also https://cwtch.im/ for everything else. @dmitri Yeah. P2P stuff. It always semi- kinda- works- ish. Until you get into multiple devices and offline messaging. That's where you start storing state, and p2p networks are famously horrible at it. And people expect those. |
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@drq @yogthos joining #matrix:matrix.org took 2 roughly seconds. Nothing special for the MUC of 62K people.