Gregory's ServerTelegram is capable of handing over all messages in every group and regular one-to-one chat to authorities in France or any other country. A real private messaging app like Signal isn't capable of turning over your messages and media. Telegram/Discord aren't private platforms.
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 @CStamp@mastodon.social @GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social Bad news: Metadata exposed and actively recorded.  @CStamp Don't use carrier-based calls if you care about privacy. That's the opposite of private. Even Telegram is a far better choice than using carrier-based calls and Telegram does have E2EE for calls. We were talking about messages. They shouldn't be storing calls regardless so it shouldn't be data that's available on their servers persistently rather than just during the call even if they didn't use E2EE.  @GrapheneOS CEO of Telegram was just arrested in France and Putin is mad because the guy may have Russian intelligence that France can now tap into.  A major example of how Telegram's opt-in secret chat encryption has gone seriously wrong before: https://words.filippo.io/dispatches/telegram-ecdh/. The practical near term threat is for the vast majority of chats without end-to-end encryption: 100% of Telegram group chats and the regular 1-to-1 chats.  @GrapheneOS "The current consensus seems to be that the latest version is not broken in known ways that are severe or relevant enough to affect end users, assuming the implementation is correct. That is about as safe as leaving exposed wires around your house because they are either not live or placed high enough that no one should touch them." @GrapheneOS In general Telegram is not the best example for a successful implementation of secure and private communication. Most of their success seems to be based on group chat and the concept of followers. There are definitely better messengers. @GrapheneOS Did anyone ever believe that communication over Telegram or Discord is secure???  @doerk @GrapheneOS to me the main difference is the utilization of cloud storage to quickly and accurately synchronize chats across devices. I suppose a platform like Matrix can offer something similar but with better levels of trust than Telegram. Going with something like Signal/XMPP/Delta Chat is probably more secure but ever-so-slightly less convenient. Probably worth it, though @doerk Many people do, look at the angry replies to the same thread on X including harassment directed at our team because of it which is not something we expected. Russian military and special forces uses both for operational communications including coordinating artillery strikes, etc... |
@GrapheneOS Letters and landlines if you really need to be paranoid, as actual warrants are needed to have them accessed. You can burn the letters afterwards. :)