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R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd:

@justine

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You get tired of all of the sprawling crap of Linux projects, like the sound super-daemon-du-jour, systemd's ceaseless plotting to become the monolithic conqueror of userspace, an /etc/ directory that would have filled your first hard disk, standard commands and daemons becoming deprecated because the project stopped maintaining it, even though they work fine in BSD (because they are maintained by the OS project themselves), and other insanity?

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R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd:

@justine

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Don't get me wrong, I love Linux, and haven't even booted BSD in a month. But it's not hard to list off the silly problems.

Justine Smithies

@RL_Dane All of the above I suppose. BTW how did you get inside my head and pluck some of those thoughts ? 🤣

R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd:

@justine

I think it's a kind of self-sorting thing -- people who love UNIX and the unix philosophy get increasingly frustrated by Linux's increasing weirdness, and increasingly interested in stalwart old BSD. ;)

So, great (and cranky minds) think alike! 🤣

But I'm glad Linux is here and weird, and trying all kinds of crazy random things. It pushes things forward, even if some of us are at the tail end, dragging our heels and running cool-retro-term to try to recapture the 90s magic. XD

Root Moose

@RL_Dane @justine I'm very much in the camp of "wary of what Linux is becoming" and am keeping an eye on #FreeBSD more than ever.

R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd:

@chris @justine

Sure, I totally get that. I think there will always be more ideological Linux projects like deVUAn and Trisquel for those who are more into purity (and I don't mean that as a bad thing).

And there are definitely times I really wish Linux wasn't such a big ball of wax. The Arch Wiki is the closest thing it has to a standard base of documentation. I do give them props though, for being such an excellent community effort at documenting… all THAT. ;)

Joseph Holsten

@RL_Dane @justine This exactly. I’m giving a RHEL clone a couple weeks to see if I actually want functional steam games, otherwise I’m going back to my FreeBSD desktop.

I do wish that projects would stop ripping out BSD support though. It’s making me feel like the boundary POSIX chose for compatibility is too narrow. Sure exclude packaging, but we need service control, firewall, kernel capability APIs.

R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd:

@josephholsten @justine

A standard firewall config file format that can be parsed/executed by various competing backends would be a fascinating compromise.

Joseph Holsten

@RL_Dane @justine We had a deeply flawed firewall dsl in chef that supported multiple backends, but it was exhausting and continually unmaintained. I don’t know if the nftables backend ever got implemented. I was trying to break it apart last year.
But @mwl introduced me to NetBSD’s blocklistd a bit ago and it’s a lovely single purpose tool supporting many backends.

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