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Isaac Ji Kuo

@graydon @cstross

We already have a time tested weapon good at taking out small highly maneuverable flying things - the shotgun. Currently, infantry are equipped with assault rifles, but replacing the assault rifle with a powerful shotgun might make sense.

An automated sound/visual drone detection/tracking network could tell the infantry where to aim, and the shotgun does the rest. Ammo is cheap compared to the drones.

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Graydon

@isaackuo @cstross The thing you're trying to counter is the reconnaissance. (Whether it's on "massing for assault" scale or "is that $POLITICAL_FIGURE?" scale.)

For that, you most want to break the comms loop; you next want to destroy the drone beyond its range of resolution.

Kinetic solutions against individual drones need more range than a shotgun because the range of resolution is greater than shotgun range. (Hence 30mm smart rounds as the reflexive solution.)

Isaac Ji Kuo

@graydon @cstross

Heavy shotguns are a countermeasure against enemy killer drones/bombs, not looker drones.

If you want to take out lookers, anti-drone drones seem to be the most promising approach for now. A 30mm smart round could easily be more expensive than the target, and also more expensive than an anti-drone drone.

Martijn Vos

@isaackuo @graydon @cstross

Those quadcopters make quite a bit of noise. I can imagine cheap mini missiles might be able to target them by their sound.

DeterioratedStucco

@graydon @isaackuo @cstross
I'd guess the first response would be 40mm canister round(-s) from an AGL or an M203. Giant shotgun, with better range.

mmby

@graydon @isaackuo @cstross laser dazzlers are also a cheap-ish option that can be used with vehicles

if you can actually detect the drone approximately (maybe via audio or using the dazzler as a lidar), you can limit the scan window for the dazzler and actively blind it

Charlie Stross

@mmby @graydon @isaackuo Just noting that laser dazzlers approximate to a [human] laser blinding weapon, and we can't regrow retinas. Just the reflected side-scatter from any plausible laser gun is liable to fry eyeballs out to several dozen kilometres.

mmby

@cstross @graydon @isaackuo they're already in the field though, since the convention on banning human-blinding weapons made exceptions for using them on vehicles and any sort of optical devices they might have

even the crews are considered in unit with the vehicle and not people for purposes of the convention as long as they're operating the vehicle

drones appearing will make more dazzlers appear - and I feel that sadly where there's opportunity, there is crime...

Isaac Ji Kuo

@mmby @cstross @graydon

Desperation to survive may be the overriding consideration. As noted, they're already in the field.

Shtora-1 attempts to use dazzlers to disrupt anti-tank missile guidance. This system has not been very effective in Ukraine, but that has more to do with the nature of the weapons being used and Ukrainian familiarity with how to try and mitigate laser warning sensors.

In principle, the system could be modified to try and dazzle drones.

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