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★ Amy Star ★ :verified:​

@Haste @munin this is only if patrons pay through Apple Pay on the Patreon app, not everything patrons contribute

and you can still pay with a credit card directly, even through the app

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Fi, infosec-aspected

@AmyZenunim @Haste

Yes, the point is that the creator's income now uncontrollably fluctuates in ways they did not consent to and cannot plan for.

Fi, infosec-aspected

@AmyZenunim @Haste

Trying to make a living when a significant part of your income can vanish due to the platform nonconsensually changing the terms is ....fucking impossible.

★ Amy Star ★ :verified:​

@munin @Haste if it's anything like Twitch, Patreon will outright pass the markup directly to the customer and encourage them to sub through the web interface instead for the actual/real price

Patreon isn't really changing the terms here, this is all on Apple, which I entirely agree is a shitty move and need to be taken to court over, but it's a different story than "Apple owns 38% of everything I make effective immediately"

EVHaste

@AmyZenunim @munin

I feel like you and I don’t fundamentally disagree, just differing on details. That is perfectly okay. 👍

As I detailed in my article last year, the problem is that I should not be beholden to one-sided power dynamics like this which I cannot control.

Apple and Patreon can negotiate with each other. I have no power to force them to agree to my terms and conditions, but they do.

★ Amy Star ★ :verified:​

@Haste @munin I'm hoping that Patreon allows creators to turn off Apple Pay (and Google Wallet, tbh, because it's the exact same shit from Google) for their patrons

if not then Patreon is at fault here

EVHaste

@AmyZenunim @munin They said in the announcement that they will not, because Apples terms prohibit it. That’s the whole problem.

EVHaste

@AmyZenunim @munin I am aware of those conditions.

First, it is unclear whether the credit card option will exist after November.

Second, I don’t think it ought to be my job to ask Patrons not to sign up via iOS, or to monitor that.

Third, I object morally to Patreons solution of passing fees onto my patrons, who are also often friends of mine.

Finally, I do not wish to arm Apple with more money it does not need to monopolize additional markets.

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