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poleguy

@pid_eins I'm not disagreeing. It makes me wonder how you would categorize/assess/mitigate the security and operations risk of having a system that's supposed to be on one kernel fall back to a previous one?

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Lennart Poettering

@poleguy the way automatic boot assessment with systemd works is that on each boot we make one of three assesments: "good", "bad", "dontknow". If we make the "bad" assessment we'll count down the entry's counter (and if it ist zero we give up on it in the future). if we make the "good" assessment we'll drop the counter entirely from the entry, marking it as good for basically all eternity. If we do "dontknow" we don't do a thing

Lennart Poettering

@poleguy this means that a bad actor can play games with us until the point we managed to do one boot that worked correctly, but from that point on, we'll never regress anymore.

I like to believe that that's quite a sensible and simple policy that should work for most cases. It balances robustness against chance for attackers to hold off updates indefinitely.

poleguy

@pid_eins thanks. That does seem reasonable and for remotely managed systems and better than the alternative, which is manual intervention. I worry a smidge about added complexity. I can't shake the feeling that we keep adding layers of complexity to our systems. It feels okay to add complexity that is proportional to the complexity of the problem being solved. In this case it seems sane. However these remotely managed systems all tend to have out of band methods to recover already, no?

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