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Les Orchard

@vkc This is a thing I keep running into and I feel dumb because it surprises me every time: folks who either have no idea that self-hosting is possible or, even weirder, somehow think that self-hosting anything is ILLEGAL. Like, DIY anything on the internet is an impossibility beyond reach.

And I forget that I grew up with dial-up BBSes run on personal computers in bedrooms. And web servers on hardware we assembled with domain names we bought. Even as cloud came around, internet services running under our own accounts.

Seems like all of that is not even a memory to a lot of folks today, because they've never seen it in action in their lifetimes.

24 July at 20:24 | Wall-to-wall | Open on hackers.town
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Brooke Vibber :blobcatcoffee:

@lmorchard @vkc this is exactly why the fediverse is so important to me...

being able to show the next generation that many individuals can work together to create a network without a central authority that's beholden only to shareholders...

and we're not gone yet :D

multiple implementations, small and self-hosted sites sit side-by-side with beheamoths like m.s

and that's as it should be <3

24 July at 20:29 | Open on bikeshed.vibber.net
mos_8502 :verified:

@lmorchard @vkc I believe you, but I would really like to see some of these “illegal” claims, so I have screenshots to use when it suits me.

24 July at 20:31 | Open on studio8502.ca
Irenes (many)

@mos_8502 @lmorchard @vkc it's not quite about self-hosting, but there's a recurring theme where, when cops put out statements about people they've arrested, they emphasize that the person owned a 3D printer

24 July at 20:58 | Open on adhd.irenes.space
Abbie 🏳️‍⚧️

@ireneista it never clicked for me where all those illegal claims were coming from until you said this.

In communications and on tv shows, by always drawing attention to the "bad guys" in that way (badGuy™ had X, did y, etc) they've convinced people that perfectly legal things are illegal.

There is probably also a healthy amount of chain letters/spam/rumors that don't help with that either. But I don't think I've seen any chain letters that would cause people to look down on you like announcing that you use a VPN or encryption does sometimes.

@mos_8502 @lmorchard @vkc

@ireneista it never clicked for me where all those illegal claims were coming from until you said this.

In communications and on tv shows, by always drawing attention to the "bad guys" in that way (badGuy™ had X, did y, etc) they've convinced people that perfectly legal things are illegal.

There is probably also a healthy amount of chain letters/spam/rumors that don't help with that either. But I don't think I've seen any chain letters that would cause people to look down on you like announcing that...

24 July at 21:58 | Open on hackers.town
Luther

@antijingoist @ireneista @mos_8502 @lmorchard @vkc I fear for the less savvy communities. Does anyone have a "self-host all the things" package that the "one guy who knows computers" could deploy reasonably? Like for regional pride group x or community activist collection y.

This is probably pie in the sky but also the largest demographic that could be targeted.

25 July at 0:25 | Open on hackers.town
HowToPhil

@Luther @antijingoist @ireneista @mos_8502 @lmorchard @vkc

There used to be some "emergency local network hotspot" projects out there that had live chat and something like Mastodon (but without verification links etc to make accounts) a while back... Like, they were designed to work without a connection to the internet

25 July at 0:34 | Open on oldbytes.space
Irenes (many)

@howtophil @Luther @antijingoist @mos_8502 @lmorchard @vkc we definitely see these things pop up now and then. in our view what keeps them from really sticking around is that... they're made by technical people whose focus is just building it.

25 July at 0:39 | Open on adhd.irenes.space
The Doctor

@ireneista @howtophil @Luther @antijingoist @mos_8502 @lmorchard @vkc There's a bigger problem: Consumer Wi-Fi chipsets are not designed for that kind of thing. Not all of them support ad-hoc mode, AP mode, or 802.11s. They tend to lock up or reset after varying periods of time.

Broadcom is Broadcom.

The ideal hardware would be a wireless router with the memory of a raspi.

25 July at 1:11 | Open on hackers.town
HowToPhil replied to The

@drwho @ireneista @Luther @antijingoist @mos_8502 @lmorchard @vkc

I think a raspi can be configured to be a hotspot with multiple USB wifi sticks too...

25 July at 1:18 | Open on oldbytes.space
The Doctor replied to HowToPhil

@howtophil @ireneista @Luther @antijingoist @mos_8502 @lmorchard @vkc It can. As to how reliable it will be, it depends on the hardware rev, cooling, and traffic volume.

25 July at 1:46 | Open on hackers.town
The Doctor
Irenes (many)

@antijingoist @mos_8502 @lmorchard @vkc yes, absolutely. we've been on a whole thing the last few years of trying to recognize all the copaganda we see in the world and the ways we've inadvertently accepted the things it tells us.

25 July at 0:36 | Open on adhd.irenes.space
The Doctor
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@lmorchard @vkc even if its during their lifetimes its like expecting people to understand that they can simply build a combustion engine anytime they want, or begin farming again, many people dont realize you can just plant that thing you eating right now and get a new one

24 July at 21:24 | Open on hachyderm.io
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