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stella vantechelgibbity

the wiki in question is wiki.cassettebeasts.com/wiki/M, a wiki for a similarly based game that all of you should play

Michaela

@stella tagging @njion because i suspect they'll enjoy this bit of knowledge, being the game's fan.

Melody :cat_inside:

@stella@tech.lgbt the Devs are actually on here iirc! And yes, it's a great game

Mae the Witch
@stella Cassette Beasts can't stop being awesome. :nkoLove:
Jasper 🍉

@stella could also demand they actually publish the model & means to run it. Bit pointless if it sits / runs on their server public domain and we can't get to it.

stella vantechelgibbity

holy floof this toot is making numbers give me money :3

ko-fi.com/stellacat


@stella meow I agree, give frens monies

Teknikal_Domain

@stella While I agree I would love to see this legally enforced.

Now, if it is deemed this has weight, oh boy...

ꓤɔᴉʇɐʇS

@stella I wanna see that actually tested rigerously in court because the outcomes would be either that every company doing AI actually loses their IP rights or that automatic "by doing X you agree to ..." terms are invalid which would also be a great outcome.

(though most realistically it'll come with a loophole that goes around both of those)

evin / yujiri

@stella this is awesome i hope some companies get got by this

Sky UwU

@stella Nonono it would be so much funnier to have it all copyleft :P

keschi / cache :blobCat_in_box:

@stella best part: all outcomes from a legal battle could set precedents for corps

shiny feli ✨(˶ᵔ ᵕ ᵔ˶) ✨
@stella i very much* doubt that this is valid. so it might be a deterrent to a handful of people but other than that it basically does nothing. what would be nice to see, however, and what would be much more likely to be valid is awareness towards share-alike-type license, so not" all IP" and not "public domain", just IP that is a derivative of the content and also "some rights reserved" (but also it doesn't really matter anyways, see link below). but how to enforce, how to prove...

https://creativecommons.org/2023/08/18/understanding-cc-licenses-and-generative-ai/ in short: where exceptions by law already exist, a license (or otherwise restriciton) isn't going to do anything. also: share-alike does apply to derivatives from cc-sa content (the only argument that could maybe be made is that a derivative has to be creative work itself and that anything ai/llm generated is not creative work - which would be a slippery slope for ai/llm protectors but a fun fight to see happen).

*absolutely no guarantee for anything, i have not researched this topic enough, basically only for like five minutes just now
@stella i very much* doubt that this is valid. so it might be a deterrent to a handful of people but other than that it basically does nothing. what would be nice to see, however, and what would be much more likely to be valid is awareness towards share-alike-type license, so not" all IP" and not "public domain", just IP that is a derivative of the content and also "some rights reserved" (but also it doesn't really matter anyways, see link below). but how to enforce, how to prove...

@stella@tech.lgbt With the development of models protection, it is becoming increasingly difficult to pull the dataset out of the model in order to say for sure that it used some texts of a certain authorship

By the way, will I need to publish the model if there is a reprint of someone else's article on this site, which was used in the dataset, but was lost after that? ​:thinking:​

Tim Hergert

@stella while there's a good amount of arguing in the thread on whether or not this is enforceable, I think that it would be amusing enough for an LLM to puke this out when asked a question.

If this verbiage is added as a footer to enough pages - it'll eventually be scraped and incorporated into responses.

Hraban (fiëé visuëlle)

@stella Thank you, I inserted a German translation in the copyright statement of my websites:

Falls Sie Inhalte dieser Seite zum Training von »Large Language Models« (LLM) oder anderen Formen von »Generativer Künstlicher Intelligenz« verwenden, stimmen Sie zu, Ihr gesamtes geistiges Eigentum sofort und unwiderruflich als gemeinfrei (public domain) freizugeben.

aliss
@stella hmm i wonder if this can be enforced..
Talu

@stella If you keep breathing, you are accepting that all your material property belongs to me.

You see? You don't have to do something just because I say something. That's not how real life works.

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