Gregory's Server@xgranade we agree with you in general but
as an activist, we feel it's our duty to say that the war is ongoing. we have not yet lost. there is plenty of hope, in part because people are starting to understand how important it is.
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 @xgranade we agree with that it makes a ton of sense, it's a thing we are aware of because we spend a lot of time thinking about ways to keep our strategic assessment accurate without despairing heh  @ireneista Absolutely. I tried to balance the same kinds of concerns, but I absolutely take the point that I may not have done so ideally. (if a "war" is lost, can you fight it again and win? what does losing a "war" mean when that war is at most a loose metaphor? how do I invoke the common idiom of "war on X" without carrying along the idea that when you lose a war, you tend to just be dead? language is hard) @xgranade @ireneista i suppose that's a state of occupation by the adversary, and then there are battles or even uprisings
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@ireneista Perhaps the battle, then. There was a significant loss, and I agree that fight is going and going strong thanks in no small part due to people such as yourself. I just don't know how to name that loss, that shift in normality to the fucked state it's in now, if that makes any sense?