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 @tml @cstross @SteveJonesnono1 nope. The only one I'm kinda willing to accept is peak Vs off peak. But even that i would like to avoid if possible. The whole point of public transport is to transport the public. Money making is at best a 5th of 6th on the list of things for it to do. 8 comments
@cstross @quixoticgeek @SteveJonesnono1 But now quixoticgeek and Charlie are talking about different things, no? Infrastructure (and rolling stock ?) vs train operation. @tml @cstross @SteveJonesnono1 it's all linked together. Trains should run at least every 15 mins, from every station, from very early in the morning, until late at night, and cost very little to use. Once a society and government realise this is both worthwhile, and attainable. Then we can work out the infrastructure and operational set up necessary to deliver it. Right now too many people start from the point that we can't have nice things because we currently don't have nice things. @quixoticgeek @tml @cstross @SteveJonesnono1 @biohumanisti @quixoticgeek @cstross @SteveJonesnono1 Nah. I would say that it is relatively common in large public transit networks to offer separate off-peak fares. For instance TfL does it. https://tfl.gov.uk/fares/find-fares/tube-and-rail-fares @biohumanisti @quixoticgeek @cstross @SteveJonesnono1 Also in Berlin. A separate “10 a.m.” one-month ticket. https://www.bvg.de/en/subscriptions-and-tickets/all-tickets @tml @biohumanisti @quixoticgeek @cstross @SteveJonesnono1 It also doesn't help that the peak/off-peak rules are inconsistent in the UK. They vary between TOCs, and even by type of ticket. The 9:21 train from my local station is off-peak if you have an off-peak day return, but counts as a peak train if your ticket is an off-peak open (within one month) return. @bencc @tml @biohumanisti @cstross @SteveJonesnono1 UK train ticketting is utterly broken and makes no logical sense, anywhere. Even TFL, the one half decent bit of public transport on the cursed isle, has an utterly fucked up ticket structure that is sexist and discriminatory. |
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@quixoticgeek @tml @SteveJonesnono1 Yup. Public transport should be funded like roads—as vital national infrastructure available to all and supported via the common purse.