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mcc

@lritter it is easy to say that "everything is politics" but there is a larger/more precise problem, which is that the act of deciding what is political is politics. if someone is politically strong, they can declare the act of eating croissants political and now everyone who just wants to eat their croissant has a problem to navigate

3 July at 15:06 | Wall-to-wall | Open on mastodon.social
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demofox

@mcc @lritter that's not even so far off. Who members "freedom fries"?
Eating a croissant at the time probably would be seen as political.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedo

3 July at 15:08 | Open on mastodon.gamedev.place
Leonard Ritter

@mcc thanks to right wing dadaists, "political" has lost its meaning. it is undefinable. there is no available consensus.

3 July at 15:09 | Open on mastodon.gamedev.place
Leonard Ritter

@mcc in germany the right wingers now call heat pumps and solar panels "ideology". they use words wrong until they no longer function as intended

3 July at 15:12 | Open on mastodon.gamedev.place
Steve Canon

@lritter @mcc Should just start calling ideology "Wärmepumpe", I guess.

3 July at 18:34 | Open on discuss.systems
argv minus one

@lritter

I, too, support the ideology of paying less money to the electric company.

@mcc

3 July at 18:39 | Open on mstdn.party
Zimmie

@lritter @mcc Yeah, but … we all know what they mean when they use the word “political”, though. It’s the same thing they mean when they call something “woke” or “critical race theory”, and the opposite of what they mean when they call something “diverse” (e.g, “diversity of opinion).

3 July at 18:40 | Open on infosec.exchange
Leonard Ritter

@bob_zim @mcc what do they mean? i'm dying to know!🤩

3 July at 18:41 | Open on mastodon.gamedev.place
Zimmie

@lritter @mcc To right-wingers attempting to drive us all into a world where truth is fundamentally unknowable, “political” simply means “something I don’t like”.

“Now is not the time to politicize this tragedy.” == “Now is not the time to make me feel bad.”

3 July at 18:45 | Open on infosec.exchange
Leonard Ritter

@bob_zim @mcc so even they don't know. using the big werds like a smort man.

3 July at 18:46 | Open on mastodon.gamedev.place
Zimmie

@lritter @mcc By using words like “political” or “woke” or “diversity”, they are trying to make something *shaped like* a real argument, but devoid of substance. They don’t have to explain it. Their people all only care about the shape of it, not about what is actually being said.

Incidentally, I wonder if the devolution of political speech into insubstantial, argument-shaped blurbs primed people to see LLMs as actually smart.

3 July at 18:51 | Open on infosec.exchange
mcc

@bob_zim @lritter "Machines did not pass the turing test, humanity failed it"

3 July at 18:51 | Open on mastodon.social
Leonard Ritter

@bob_zim @mcc pop fic did. LLMs only had three years. people watch too much TV. stories lie. not everybody gets that.

3 July at 18:54 | Open on mastodon.gamedev.place
Zimmie

@lritter @mcc I more mean the conflation of what fiction says an AI does (think and produce an answer) with what an LLM actually does (produce an answer-shaped blurb). Sure, the marketing also primes people to believe ChatGPT is a thinking machine, but a shocking number of people who have actually used it and seen the ways in which it is typically wrong still seem to think it has any intelligence at all. They say it “hallucinated” citations in a legal brief. No, it produced a legal-brief-shaped blob of text. Briefs have citations. The citations may happen to align with reality or they may not, but they’re not hallucinated.

Words are textually meaningless to LLMs, like they are to right-wing politicians. Only the associations between the words matter.

@lritter @mcc I more mean the conflation of what fiction says an AI does (think and produce an answer) with what an LLM actually does (produce an answer-shaped blurb). Sure, the marketing also primes people to believe ChatGPT is a thinking machine, but a shocking number of people who have actually used it and seen the ways in which it is typically wrong still seem to think it has any intelligence at all. They say it “hallucinated” citations in a legal brief. No, it produced a legal-brief-shaped blob...

3 July at 19:33 | Open on infosec.exchange
Zimmie

@lritter @mcc The real advantage to making things shaped like arguments but void of textual meaning is they can’t really be countered. Any response which goes to the text completely misses the meaning, and any response to the meaning is “putting words in my mouth.”

In the US, this is the natural next step in the Southern Strategy. Its architect, Lee Atwater, was possibly the most maliciously evil person in American politics. This strategy saw US conservatives leaning to use language more effectively to appeal to overt racists while not sounding overtly racist themselves. Towards the end of his life, someone actually recorded him describing it. As a warning, he uses slurs:

youtu.be/X_8E3ENrKrQ

@lritter @mcc The real advantage to making things shaped like arguments but void of textual meaning is they can’t really be countered. Any response which goes to the text completely misses the meaning, and any response to the meaning is “putting words in my mouth.”

In the US, this is the natural next step in the Southern Strategy. Its architect, Lee Atwater, was possibly the most maliciously evil person in American politics. This strategy saw US conservatives leaning to use language more effectively...

3 July at 19:50 | Open on infosec.exchange
James Widman
Daniel Gonzalez

@mcc @lritter once I used the trick of "everything is politic" and succeeded, at least partially: Reason for banning some topics were better described.

3 July at 18:51 | Open on paquita.masto.host
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