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Third time is a charm!

Watch us tirelessly explaining to Roskomnadzor how e-mail works! The three innovations in our third reply are that we

a) request the international law their request is grounded on (as if they would care)

b) communicate that their assumptions, even according to russian laws, are wrong (as if they would care)

c) state explicitly that Delta Chat is unlike WhatsApp, Signal or Telegram (doh!)

#chatcontrol-delenda-est

A letter from merlinux to Roskomandzor: Regarding registration of Delta Chat provided services in Russia with the following key content: 1) You fail to reference relevant International Law that would give you the authority to request any interaction from us as an organization residing within the legal framework of the European Union. If you don’t reference any international law or treaty, you are required to direct your queries to the german foreign ministry instead, which in turn would get in contact with us. 2) Even if your request was grounded in international law, merlinux is not an „ICO“ or „Information Communication Organizer“ as defined in Section 10.1 of 149-FZ. In particular, we maintain that this base assumption stated in your letter is not correct: „According to the results of the analysis the information resource delta.chat <https://delta.chat/> , the owner of which is a foreign organization merlinux GmbH, was found to have the capability to receive, transmit, deliver and (or) process electronic messages of Internet users.“ Unlike Telegram or Whatsapp, the information resource „delta.chat“ does not have the ability to receive, transmit, deliver or process electronic messages. All users of our e-mail client apps choose electronic message processors („e-mail servers“) sovereignly themselves, without our knowledge and without sending their messages through a central server like it happens with Telegram or Whatsapp.
26 June at 17:36 | Open on chaos.social
18 comments
Zsolt

@delta not the sharpest in the toolbox at Orcskomnadzor.

26 June at 17:40 | Open on social.lol
dexternemrod

@delta
Their mailadress looks like a phishing-attempt 🐟

26 June at 18:41 | Open on troet.cafe
Jan Penfrat

@delta Thanks for sharing these, this is gold for the public debate.

26 June at 19:12 | Open on eupolicy.social
Roberto
Reinhilde Bjornsdottir

@delta it’s esse delendam, i think?

26 June at 20:20 | Open on bv.umbrellix.org
romikk

@delta why bother? I would send all their messages to the spam bin. What's the worst that can happen?

27 June at 7:19 | Open on zhub.link
WofWca

@romikk It is right. Otherwise Roskomnadzor could claim "Delta Chat didn't respond, so we blocked them", and it wouldn't look as bad on them as "Delta Chat refused to start collecting user data for us, so we blocked them" would.

27 June at 8:29 | Open on mastodon.social
romikk

@WofWca well, in this case one response to them outlining your position is enough. No need to prove anything pointing to the laws they don't care about.

27 June at 8:38 | Open on zhub.link
WofWca

@romikk They don't care, but we do. It's not about just Delta Chat and Roskomnadzor, it's about how the public sees all this. "Delta Chat is right and Roskomnadzor are wrong", that's what we want to see, and not just assume.

27 June at 8:48 | Open on mastodon.social
rohden
@delta


#chatcontrol
How do WA, Signal … react to such requests?
27 June at 10:39 | Open on fe.disroot.org
Dr. Quadragon ❌

@delta You can't stop the signal, baby.

27 June at 18:00 | Open on mastodon.ml
TSource Engine Query
@delta three letter organizations can GTFO
27 June at 18:02 | Open on suya.place
Dominik

@delta Funny enough this also happened the other way round to the russian developers of the XABBER Android Jabber/XMPP client receiving a letter from the German @BNetzA due to a similar failure to understand how that app worked:

cmshs-bloggt.de/tmc/telekommun

photo of letter from Bundesnetzagentur
photo of letter from Bundesnetzagentur
27 June at 20:19 | Open on mastodon.xyz
Delta Chat

@asdil12 @BNetzA very interesting even if it's a bit old. The base considerations from this interesting article should still apply. Do you know how the Russian developers responded to this?

27 June at 20:38 | Open on chaos.social
Dominik
Delta Chat

@asdil12 @BNetzA thanks, thread apparently cannot be accessed without login but we'll figure it out. (Not really using Twitter for a year or two now)

27 June at 20:45 | Open on chaos.social
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