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gigantos

@karl what baffles me is the "this is well known behaviour and systemd-tmpfiles is not about temp files, and tempfiles.d is intended for factory reset" response from the systemd devs

* If a tool is not about temp files, then don't name it as such
* If a config folder is not about listing which files are considered temporary and safe to delete at all times, don't name It tempfiles.d

These two points seem obvious to me, basic UX

18 June at 15:15 | Wall-to-wall | Open on social.linux.pizza
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Karl

@gigantos Ideally, yes, but sadly there are historical reasons why the tool is named like that, and I'm fairly certain there are very good arguments against renaming things (not as a knee-jerk reaction at the very least).

Lennart Pottering's comment on the original bug report is very reasonable, and so are his patches.

18 June at 15:28 | Open on infosec.exchange
gigantos

@karl the whole point of systemd (as I've been told) was to lose legacy, and it already started making suboptimal decisions for legacy reasons. This is boding well for the future.

18 June at 16:02 | Open on social.linux.pizza
Karl
gigantos

@karl Linux is 34 years, glibc is 37 years. In my world 14 years is a baby.

18 June at 17:11 | Open on social.linux.pizza
Karl

@gigantos I fail to see how that makes an argument for systemd being debt-free!

18 June at 17:22 | Open on infosec.exchange
gigantos

@karl I am just disappointed, that's all. And refuse to believe there were no alternatives to tempfiles.d, such as an additional directory.

18 June at 17:28 | Open on social.linux.pizza
gigantos

@karl some context, if you didn't already read it. The tone of the developers feels condescending to me, and that automatically makes my alarm go off.

github.com/systemd/systemd/iss

18 June at 17:33 | Open on social.linux.pizza
Karl

@gigantos I read the thread, and I agree with you that Luca's tone is (way) out of line.

The other people in the discussion (including Lennart Pottering, who is, if you didn't know, the creator of systemd) are respectful and contribute positively to the discussion.

18 June at 19:21 | Open on infosec.exchange
:neocat_scream: kitty!

@gigantos @karl there used to be opentmpfiles but a critical vulnerability that couldn't be fixed has been discovered in it

18 June at 18:40 | Open on wetdry.world
Philip McGrath

@gigantos @karl systemd being 40% as old as Linux is actually older than I would have guessed

19 June at 1:34 | Open on mastodon.social
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