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Tube❄️Time

hmm, looks like there are a few instructions that aren't 6502. apparently Rockwell defined a few new ones. it would be nice if Ghidra could handle those.

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Tube❄️Time

ahhhhh much better. thanks to whomever added R6518 support to Ghidra just now. oh wait that was me

Tube❄️Time replied to Tube❄️Time

ok so funny story, the Ghidra target of "65C02" already supports these instructions. at least i know how to customize Ghidra...

Phil M0OFX replied to Tube❄️Time

@tubetime It probably supports the WDC 6502 instruction set, which is a superset of the Rockwell CMOS extensions.

Tube❄️Time replied to Tube❄️Time

some interesting routines. this one waits for the spindle speed (as measured by the index pulses) to exceed 3593 rpm (or so).

Tube❄️Time replied to Tube❄️Time

they have a clever delay-by-x routine. the entry point is delay_entry. and yes, the routine calls its own rts as a way to insert cycles...

Tube❄️Time replied to Tube❄️Time

so one of these drives blew a tantalum capacitor. i think i will take this board apart for reverse engineering purposes. there are multiple revisions but this will be a good starting point.

Tube❄️Time replied to Tube❄️Time

with a combination of hot air and a desoldering gun, i've taken it down to just a few surface mount parts. i'm going to leave those in place for now since many of them are not marked. there is also no silkscreen.

Tube❄️Time replied to Tube❄️Time

they scanned well. i've taken the top and bottom images and lined them up precisely. these reference images are 600dpi but i may go for a lower res version for KiCad since it stores the images in the pcb file, which slows it down a lot.

Phil M0OFX replied to Tube❄️Time

@tubetime You're reminding me that I need to learn how to pull PCB images into Kicad and tweak my process. I usually have the layers stacked in GIMP and colourised red and blue, then use layer masks to hide the tracks I've entered into the schematic.

Tube❄️Time replied to Tube❄️Time

what resistor value do you think the circled chip resistor has?

myrmepropagandist replied to Tube❄️Time

@tubetime

I mean... zero? Maybe it's just a lil square jumper wire? Is that so wrong?

Andrew Zonenberg replied to Tube❄️Time

@tubetime Looks like it's supposed to be a 0R jumper. Is it actually?

Rob Flickenger ⚡️ replied to Tube❄️Time

@tubetime 0, +/- 10%.

Be sure to let us know if it's -10%.

Obot 50549535 replied to Tube❄️Time

@tubetime
Yeah, sometimes I think 0 ohms is the most common value we use.

Tube❄️Time replied to Tube❄️Time

all of you are wrong. it is a 3K resistor.

Tube❄️Time replied to Tube❄️Time

ok, now what is THIS resistor value?

Zack Stern replied to Tube❄️Time

@tubetime zero! Or is that the letter “O?”

Tube❄️Time replied to Tube❄️Time

it's actually 100 ohms. someone back in the day was making resistors of various values that were all marked 0. great...

Vlad Vukicevic replied to Tube❄️Time

@tubetime no that's the Omega resistor company's logo

DevinsBench replied to Tube❄️Time

@tubetime wanna know how many reels at HSC were like that?

Paul Zawada replied to Tube❄️Time

@tubetime The “0” stands for “this marking gives you zero clues as to what the resistance of this resistor might be.”

Charles J Gervasi ⚡🛡️🥥 replied to Tube❄️Time

@tubetime A manufacture marking what looks like a 0 on SMT parts that are not zero-ohm is horrible. 😬

Tube❄️Time replied to Tube❄️Time

whew. got the layout and schematic captured. there were a few differences compared with the official schematic.

Tube❄️Time replied to Tube❄️Time

solved a few mystery pins on these Seagate custom chips. they are connected to the magnetic heads.

Tube❄️Time replied to Tube❄️Time

the ST-225 drive uses a similar circuit but it is an older design and less integrated. the ST-251's SSI257.2 chip drives the center taps of the head windings. they just "garbage collected" the transistors, head select decoder, and resistors driving it along with the transistors that set the write current.

Tube❄️Time replied to Tube❄️Time

by looking at the ST-412 schematic, i figured out that the ST-251's SSI257 chip contains a bunch of steering diodes as well as an op amp (an NE592 equivalent).

Tube❄️Time replied to Tube❄️Time

so on my schematic, i've named all the previously nameless pins and the circuit makes sense now.

F4GRX Sébastien replied to Tube❄️Time

@tubetime Where is that betamax pin!

congrats on the great reversing.

Tube❄️Time replied to Tube❄️Time

I need to confirm some component values.

Tube❄️Time replied to Tube❄️Time

kinda horrifying but this is the best way to test SMD parts out of circuit.

Chris Petrilli replied to Tube❄️Time

@tubetime I have to imagine this is what Tombstone, AZ looks like

Xenenic replied to Tube❄️Time

@tubetime Intentional tombstoning, that's a new one for me. xD

Graham Spookyland🎃/Polynomial replied to Tube❄️Time

@tubetime that's a slightly unsettling image, idk why.

random thought: if you're testing precise values, don't forget that MLCC capacitance rises significantly during soldering and takes around 48h to return to nominal, which may still be much higher than it was in-circuit due to aging. capacitor manufacturers tend to physically cut them out of the circuit when they're doing failure analysis.

Tube❄️Time replied to Tube❄️Time

the schematic PDF is in the repo as well as the KiCad source files. i'll be examining the firmware as well as the earlier board revisions.

Wolf480pl replied to Tube❄️Time

@tubetime did they run out of ink for the 1st and 3rd digit?

Joel Michael replied to Tube❄️Time

@tubetime trick question: it only looks like a resistor, it’s actual function is a fuse, and is currently measuring infinity

食 Shoku the MN Wolf replied to Tube❄️Time

@tubetime 0 ohms. I forget the actual name but it's a junction.

F4GRX Sébastien

@tubetime oh thats the famous B(R)SET/B(R)CLR that are still available in the hc11!

Tim

@tubetime these instructions were also in Rockwell’s version of the 65C02. They’re also in the currently available W65C02 from WDC (although they weren’t in WDC’s original 65C02 back in the ’80s and they’re not in any version of the 65C816)

Phil M0OFX

@tubetime It should recognise them if you tell it the chip is a 65C02. The WDesignC 65C02 implements those instructions too (and a few WDesignC specific ones)

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