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Kevin Beaumont

Okay I knew Opera browser was bad but I had no idea how crazy the situation was until reading this.

spacebar.news/stop-using-opera

81 comments
Luka Rubinjoni

@GossiTheDog Came looking for dirt, and found gold:

"Hindenburg is an investment firm that researches publicly-traded companies and shorts their stocks if they find sufficient evidence of investor fraud before releasing its report."

Luka Rubinjoni

@GossiTheDog The Global Fraud Ecosystem™ and it's metaparasites...

WaterSword

@rubinjoni @GossiTheDog isn’t Hindenburg that firm that got an Indian industry giant to go bankrupt with one scathing report?

Nischay

@WaterSword @rubinjoni @GossiTheDog

"Bankrupt" is a strong word, especially when the line has still gone up: telegraphindia.com/business/ad

Also, I think they were far more well-known because of their Nikola piece, which was pretty great at the time.

Yuri Arabadji

> "Bankrupt" is a strong word

Yes, after govt intervention/infusion.

Luka Rubinjoni

@dysfun @GossiTheDog They did another wankpanzer company, called (I shit you not) "Nikola". Not sure if they actually managed to short/report any of Musk's companies yet.

Nickoli

@rubinjoni @dysfun @GossiTheDog Nikola was meant to be building battery semi-trucks rather than the consumer "trucks", and looked promising for a while.

Wayne Werner

@justNickoli @rubinjoni @dysfun @GossiTheDog highly ironically, Edison Motors is doing hybrid semis amd they're actually amazing

Toxy 🔬🇪🇺🇸🇪🇬🇧🇺🇦

@rubinjoni @GossiTheDog Interesting business model. I suppose that’s ok but bloody cynical.

Ján Trenčanský

@GossiTheDog Jeez, that is something. The only sentence you really need from the article to grasp how fucked up it is: "The money from these loan apps amounted to 42.5% of Opera's revenue by mid-2019."

xs4me2

@GossiTheDog

Simply cashing in on the name they once had…

Rich Felker

@xs4me2 @GossiTheDog That's modern capitalism. Infringing one's own trademark to cash out.

xs4me2

@dalias @GossiTheDog

Maximize profit... I thought of Opera as an ethical product, but guess I was wrong...

Sofie :verified_gay:

@GossiTheDog A fascinating issue with Opera GX: it's edgy to use. So using it despite these glaring problems, makes you kinda more edgy.

It is a browser that has uniquely captured identity in its usage, and the consequences of it being Opera, gets dismissed.

Sadly how to encourage Opera GX users to avoid Opera in the future in a way they get, is beyond me.

kaffando

@GossiTheDog
Ohhh, whyyyy? I moved to Opera years ago and other than the now far too often updates, it's been good. Sigh.
What should I use instead?

Jernej Simončič �

@kaffando @GossiTheDog Vivaldi. It's actually closer to classic Opera than anything else.

kaffando

@jernej__s @GossiTheDog
Thank you, I've also tried Vivaldi so will take another look. Thanks!

Rich Felker

@jernej__s @kaffando @GossiTheDog AIUI though it's still Chromium not its own browser.

Jernej Simončič �

@dalias @kaffando @GossiTheDog Unfortunately I haven't been able to customise Firefox to my liking as much as Vivaldi, though depending on what'll happen with manifest v3, I will switch.

CIMB4

@jernej__s @dalias @kaffando @GossiTheDog floorp kinda tries to be vivaldi but as a firefox fork bit i found it clunky when i tried it. Might have gotten better tho :3

viq

@jernej__s
And it has a bunch of people who previously worked at/on Opera.
Also Vivaldi has a public Mastodon instance, FWIW.
@kaffando @GossiTheDog

D. B. Stuck

@jernej__s @kaffando @GossiTheDog

Truly loved the classic Opera browser. Sad to hear that it should be avoided now.

Old, old Opera once had a setting that turned the web page into green text on a black background and stripped out all of the images.

What I truly miss is a web browser that pulled a list of the page's links and had it in a box for a quick search. Screw all of hidden links inside of an accordion drop out. Nobody has got time for that.

Jernej Simončič �

@MyWoolyMastadon @kaffando @GossiTheDog I tried ChrOpera when it was released, but it didn't work for me (some gestures were broken), so I stayed with Opera 12 until Vivaldi was released. It's missing a few things I liked in Opera, but it's by far the closest to the browser I liked.

Wayne Werner

@jernej__s @kaffando @GossiTheDog I've personally found Vivaldi to be a bit of a hog. Can't remember what my other issues were tho

nebula 🇨🇦❤️🥥🌴

@kaffando @GossiTheDog You might find @Vivaldi to be the most familiar, even out of the Chromium-based options. But other options you might like include Firefox, Brave (includes crypto features that can be disabled), and Arc (not privacy-focused).

kaffando

@nebula @GossiTheDog
Thank you, I've tried Vivaldi before so will give it another shot. Will also look at the others. Thanks so much.

ReignStorm 🏳️‍⚧️ 🏳️‍🌈

@nebula @kaffando @GossiTheDog @Vivaldi Vivaldi, LibreWolf, Mullvad, Firefox. Don't use Brave--Brave's CEO was kicked out of Mozilla for being a fascist, so I don't recommend it.

nebula 🇨🇦❤️🥥🌴

@reignstorm @kaffando @GossiTheDog @Vivaldi Oh yeah forgot about the CEO, good point. LibreWolf and Mullvad are a bit too hardcore for someone coming from Opera though.

enoch_exe_inc

@GossiTheDog Opera 11 was when it peaked; since moving off of their Presto engine, it’s been downhill ever since.

I still have a copy of Opera 11 on my computer. A browser well and truly ahead of its time, one of my favourite features is the ability to drag a tab onto another to create groups, a feature only recently added to Chrome. I’d still use it, but being 14 years out of date, it’s a security risk.

Jessica's new Main

@enoch_exe_inc@mastodon.social @GossiTheDog@cyberplace.social I mean you could use Vivaldi which has those features built in and written by the same folks who make opera presto good

Sojourn

@GossiTheDog the problem with Firefox is that they don't have a vtuber twitch streamer like them

Jarkko Sakkinen
@GossiTheDog I'd generally prefer either Firefox or Chrome, or unbranded versions of them (like Debian's Iceweasel), even if there is zero controversies because obviously it is nearest the upstream where e.g. security fixes land first.
VessOnSecurity

@GossiTheDog So, what exactly is wrong with the Opera browser? Nothing, according to the article. The author just has some beef with other products from the same company.

That's like boycotting US SciFi authors because the USA has this agency called the CIA that is known to overthrow democratic regimes...

Oh, wait, the author is the same shithead who told us not to use the Brave browser, either. 'nuff said. I won't drop excellent products that work just because some moron has ideological problems with their producers.

@GossiTheDog So, what exactly is wrong with the Opera browser? Nothing, according to the article. The author just has some beef with other products from the same company.

That's like boycotting US SciFi authors because the USA has this agency called the CIA that is known to overthrow democratic regimes...

Mendie :v_dgirl:

@GossiTheDog

You mean, we can't trust Eric Andre?!

samvee

@GossiTheDog Which browser company has morals? Google? Microsoft? Apple? The Mozilla Foundation? Or could it be that the China factor is at play here?

Asheville Charlie

@GossiTheDog
Opera lost their religion when they stopped using their own rendering engine many years ago.. in the beginning they were great but they couldn't make money and then it all turned to crap a long time ago..

Magnesium

@GossiTheDog I should have trusted my gut on the premise that gatekeeping articles are bad and not spent my time looking at gossipy crap. This article is poorly written, grasps at emotional boogiemen, and doesn't deserve your amplification.

Dalimil Gala :skp068:

@GossiTheDog I use Opera on Android because it is still the best browser there. On my PC I use Firefox.

Vivaldi

@GossiTheDog Our browser could work for you! :tony_wee:

ApisNecros

@GossiTheDog Not a bad article, but very weird of the author to compare (current) Opera to @Vivaldi a few times through out the article, making it seem like "just" another browser, and then wait until the very end to mention the actual significance of Vivaldi.

That being that it was created by Opera's former CEO after he was ousted from the company for not wanting to sell out

standev

@ApisNecros @GossiTheDog @Vivaldi Vivaldi seems really interesting, but I am worried about a Blink/Chromium monoculture.

DELETED

@GossiTheDog The people who made the good version of that left the company. They do Vivaldi now.

7666
@GossiTheDog "the underbanked" that's a new one
Wayne Werner

@GossiTheDog gorram it so what in the heck /can/ we use? 😭

C'était Marud depuis le début :mastodont_v2:

@GossiTheDog Wow this shit is insane.
I remember Opera Mobile and Opera from years and had very good feeling using it.

Johns

@GossiTheDog Ok, cool. Which browser has integrated VPN? There are three pages I use that are banned in Spain. There's no error, but the DNS goes to somewhere else and then you get a page with "object not found"

skry

@Johns_priv
Maybe you need a proxy setting for that?

Dan Morgan :ksu:

@GossiTheDog @3x10to8mps I old enough to have paid for Opera because it was so damn good. 😔

GabeMoralesVR

@GossiTheDog once upon a time, Opera was by far my favorite browser. How far they've fallen.

Pep

@GossiTheDog I'll never understand why anyone who uses a Chromium-based browser doesn't just use Chromium. Outside of Firefox and Safari, it's all largely the same anyways.

dasnacl

@GossiTheDog I really miss uzbl. It's a shame it died. By far my most favorite piece of software. qutebrowser is nice, but just not the same vibe
Thanks for sharing this link, although it's sad if the own cynicism turns out to be actually true

Western Infidels

@GossiTheDog Very sad. I used Opera in the v7 through v10 days, I guess. It has an integrated email client, and that email client had some extremely clever and useful organizational features that I've never found a good substitute for.

Basically, it offered a tagging system for incoming email, but it could tag new mail automatically, and crucially, it would learn and improve from user actions and corrections. I don't know how it worked but it did work, and it was amazing.

lemgandi

@GossiTheDog So sad. I used Opera briefly on my phone, where it was the only browser that didn't regularly abend at the time.

jaymerryfield :mstdnca:

@GossiTheDog This depresses me so much. I was an avid Opera user from 2005-2012 or therabouts and still carry a lot of affection for it. :/

Simon Green

@GossiTheDog When I was young, Opera was actually a browser rather than just Chrome in drag.

Mina

@GossiTheDog aging companies are like aging celebrities: if they've become irrelevant, but don't know how to exit the spotlight you gonna find out exactly and what they gonna do to keep getting more

approxamatrix :spinny_cat_trans:

@GossiTheDog Can't believe the Nintendo DS browser has fallen so far from grace 😔

/j

Canageek

@GossiTheDog holy shit, same.

I knew that Vivaldi is currently what Opera used to be in a lot of ways, and that it had some of the same staff.

I'm a Firefox person but I've experimented with Vivaldi and it's a quite nice browser

Natalie

@GossiTheDog damn, all the youtubers are flogging Opera now and I very nearly checked it out.

Григорий Клюшников

If you want a browser that's the old Opera but modernized, that's Vivaldi. Unfortunately, the ignorance for quality also carried over from Opera.

JKN

@GossiTheDog Wait till you learn about Brave!

PublicLewdness

@GossiTheDog

I would have never used Opera due to it not being FOSS but it's always nice to have more reasons.

Nihl L'Amas

@GossiTheDog Opera Mini for java phones will randomly redirect you to full-screen ads instead of whatever link you clicked on.

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