@luis_in_brief "Tell your friend to go buy a framework and it'll come with bluefin and it'll be great" is the exact thing I want.
I dunno man, even some of the most skeptical people in cloud native are like, buying Frameworks.
Maybe now's the time to give the whole thing another shot?
@luis_in_brief On the community thing: I model it after CNCF projects, we've got our structures in place. We're product focused, we kind of strive to remove half the crap that users need to complain about anyway.
I'm proud of how it's working out so far, but like also we're only ever going to be a hot rodding community.
I don't think we'll ever fix the elitist Linux culture, which why we kind of don't identify with it. Hope that makes sense!