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steve mookie kong

Microsoft's Recall uses AI features "to take images of your active screen every few seconds."

Microsoft can go fuck themselves if they really think this is something people want.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/05/microsofts-new-recall-feature-will-record-everything-you-do-on-your-pc/

#microsoft #recall #ai

36 comments
i am root

@mookie Ugh what a privacy nightmare. No thanks. I use LLMs but I have no interest in running Microsoft's version locally. I have zero trust in them when it comes to privacy. They have earned my distrust over the decades.

a spookier jr conlin

@mookie

They _claim_ that they only store images locally.

So they shouldn't have any problem if I set up a web page that just generates full screen noise patterns for them to "collect and process", right?

Eric Jennings

@mookie @mhoye the Ars article mentions this, but itโ€™s funny to me that this is just Microsoft sherlocking that Rewind company. So we get to rehash all the same debates we had two years ago about Rewind.

Evan ๐Ÿซ  ๐Ÿ”œXOXO Fest ๐Ÿฆˆโค๏ธ๐Ÿš€

@HitokiriEric @mookie @mhoye I remember an app around 2018ish(?) that claimed to do this on Mac (but I either never got it working or forgot about it before it went public lol)

Hannah

@mookie "Recall won't take snapshots of [...] DRM-protected content." Always good to know that they've got their priorities straight. /s

แ“šแ˜แ—ข ๐Ÿฆ‹

@mookie

"Despite the privacy concerns, Microsoft says that the Recall index remains local and private on-device, encrypted in a way that is linked to a particular user's account."

Hey as long as you don't connect it to a network, or allow any potential threat actors any other kind of access to it, you should be fine.

beaumains

@mookie oh its definitely something people want.

Wardens, proctors and bosses.

There is a thing @pluralistic talks about where this stuff is tested out on people who don't have a choice of what is installed on their devices; prisoners, students, and the employed.

Nathan A. Stine

@beaumains @mookie @pluralistic exactly. You don't want this. Your boss absolutely does.

Jay Stephens

@stinerman @beaumains @mookie @pluralistic
Sadly, as a worker in a windows environment, I've been thinking through my defensive posture in a future where this is pervasive, for a while already.

Andrew Cook :hokkaido:

@mookie "At first glance, the Recall feature seems like it may set the stage for potential gross violations of user privacy. Despite reassurances from Microsoft, that impression persists for second and third glances as well."

Ah, yikes. I've decided to rip the bandaid off and go full time Linux on my laptop. This is just convincing me to stay the hell away from Windows.

dpflug

@mookie
Honestly, I'll be surprised if people push back on this at all.

I'm well past expecting the general public to care at all about their privacy.
@hannu_ikonen

Hannu Ikonen

@dpflug @mookie Yeah the general public does not inspire any confidence in terms of having correct priorities, values, or concerns. On *anything*. In 2024.

Starcade

@mookie

We looked into such capability in another piece of software for our business many years ago at the request of management. At the time, we were tasked with researching data loss prevention, security applications, and monitoring. In the limited time we tested such capability, we captured more than we ever anticipated. By the way, just snapshotting images managed to consume a lot of space as our employees had dual screens or more, all of which were captured-- however we stored all the images at a central location. The results not only scared executive management, also our Legal department, our Human Resources department, plus ourselves. It never got off the ground as an effort at our company.

This capability has problems and privacy issues written all over it.

@mookie

We looked into such capability in another piece of software for our business many years ago at the request of management. At the time, we were tasked with researching data loss prevention, security applications, and monitoring. In the limited time we tested such capability, we captured more than we ever anticipated. By the way, just snapshotting images managed to consume a lot of space as our employees had dual screens or more, all of which were captured-- however we stored all the images...

James Wu

@mookie @hannu_ikonen Iโ€™m actually assuming this is an enterprise surveillance feature being soft trialed as a consumer feature.

You wonโ€™t be the one turning it on โ€” your workplace Microsoft admin will be the one turning it on for you, so your manager can scroll through and โ€œAI searchโ€ your PC use for eternity. You know, to locate when you might not have been sufficiently productive or committing economic thoughtcrime against the shareholders.

Tekchip

@analogist @mookie @hannu_ikonen per this video MS is claiming it's all on device.

youtu.be/SBnzxM9v8rk?si=JLZo5L

Whether or not you believe MS is a whole other thing.

steve mookie kong

@Tekchip @analogist @hannu_ikonen I have Fedora 40 on a USB stick and ready to use. Thatโ€™s how much I trust them in this feature. ๐Ÿ˜‰

Tekchip

@mookie @analogist @hannu_ikonen you're not already daily driving Linux? I am!

I really hope someone jumps on this idea but OSS.

Tekchip

@mookie @analogist @hannu_ikonen Fedora 40 is fantastic BTW. I'm running KDE spin on my Framework laptop and it's been a treat.

steve mookie kong

@Tekchip @analogist @hannu_ikonen

It really is pretty awesome. I'm running the Gnome version on my Alienware X14 R1.

kaelef

@Tekchip @analogist @mookie @hannu_ikonen Sure, it's all on-device until your machine gets compromised and/or Microsoft changes their mind

steve mookie kong

@kaelef @Tekchip @analogist @hannu_ikonen Like when they decide to use the on device training data for targeted advertisements.

Victor S Sigmoid

@mookie Can it recall how fast I install Linux overtop of Spycrosoft?

Amandine B (She/Her)

@mookie so that's why they're threatening to end the use of Office in computers that don't support Windows 11 ๐Ÿ™„

kaelef

@mookie They have to justify the need for that AI hardware somehow

Chookbot

@mookie How appalling! No thanks.

Next this will be used by employers to spy on their employees.

My Actual Brain

@mookie Itโ€™s a terrible feature. I was relieved when I saw that it was only for the new snapdragon laptops. So I have some time, Iโ€™d spend the money on a Mac before I use a windows device with this. Iโ€™d prefer Linux, but itโ€™s not currently an option with my work needs.

Catherine is Tired

@mookie as my dad would have said, Iโ€™ll walk backwards so they can kiss my ass.

Steve Williams

@mookie
I can instantly recall how shit this idea was, the first time they tried it.

Jesse Cail

@mookie Of all the things Microsoft *could* be working on, this is the steaming turd they've delivered.

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