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carelessMisfit (chloe)

@ptrc the solution: use a better mail software :33333333333333

Multi

@ptrc bwahahaha
hahahaaaAAAAA explodes in capitalism
sorry I find this just... too funny

Mitsunee | 光音

@ptrc the recommendation seems good, that layout would be easier to filter out

lumi :blobcatnom: :blobcatflower:

@ptrc ah, yes, proprietary software ​:neocat_sad:​

:evdonia_corner_emblem: Melanie Bjornsdottir (she)

@ptrc I am going to log off and make a rye flour mug cake

update: progress on mug cake, none on logging off

MegatronicThronBanks

@ptrc I've always called useless error advisories as "Change the colour of the error message", first driven to do so by Microsoft.
They appear to have misinterpreted the situation as something to PURSUE.

Dumb Idiot Retard
@ptrc >[Pay the yearly subscription] for an ad-free experience
there it is
thedarkpleco

@ptrc I wonder what benefit there is to having the ads in your mailbox. Is it that you are less likely to ignore it? They seem to be pushing it as recommended, which likely means they benefit in some way.

shitpisscum
@ptrc They just show ads as unread emails, if you don't notice that small "Ad" label you might click trying to read it.
Also don't ask why it's in german, long story lol
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Navier

@ptrc a few days ago i installed their new inbox, saw intrusive ads and uninstalled in less than a minute.

Navier

@ptrc Use Thunderbird if you want a inbox app

hufman
@ptrc I think the Bigger Ads option will make them easier for uBlock to target ;)
Sonic Song :outerheavenverified2:
@ptrc Yeeeeeeee. ADS EVERYWHERE. Kind of a thing that EVERY SINGLE CORPO WANT'S TO PUSH THEM. Even they don't count in the fact that it makes software and web unusable.
Bernie the Wordsmith

@ptrc Also, the new desktop app is not such a thing. It's a fucking web app in disguise

mark

@ptrc no complaing... you chose this

mark

@ptrc that will be their reasoning later. Ignore the fact that both choices are bad. They will get to say that whatever % of people "wanted" or "preferred" the layout

Graydon

@ptrc Advertisers view people as a prey species. The ad-supported internet was the invention of ranching; this is the invention of feedlots.

paul
@ptrc This is easier than making it a better program...
Josh

@ptrc "Ads Experience" is such a hellish concept..

Steven D Rowe 🇨🇦​:CApride:​

@ptrc Are the adverts you would potentially receive based on the mining the text in your emails?

adehnert

@ptrc oh, that took me a couple reads to understand. This is "would you prefer your ads to take a lot of screen space, but be clearly separated and easy to ignore, or do you want your ads small but interspersed with content and maybe hard to identify?" I'm not sure how I feel about this now being an option. I'm sure people are picking the latter (picture on left) thinking it's just "no ads" though....

Daniel Waites :donor:

@ptrc @cstross that sound you hear is a million people typing regedit.

Jernej Simončič �

@dwaites @ptrc @cstross I don't think this can be solved with regedit – the "new" Outlook is a webapp pretending to be a regular program (IIRC, it also doesn't access your mail server directly, and instead does it through Azure, which caches your e-mails for who knows how long).

Marcos Dione

@jernej__s @dwaites @ptrc @cstross if it's a web app, select the second, then use uBlock Origin to make filters based on the boxes that show the ads on the sides. If you get them in your inbox, you'll never pull this off.

Marcos Dione

@jernej__s @dwaites @ptrc @cstross also, if you're persistent enough, you could try and setup an email client like #ThunderBird and you'll miss the ads too. All this said from the perspective of a sadly corporate user (meaning: my company chose this shit), so YMMV.

Jernej Simončič �

@mdione @dwaites @ptrc @cstross Luckily for now the classic Outlook still works.
And of course, there are 3rd party mail clients (I've been personally using The Bat for over 20 years, even if the most recent version is a bit weird with HTML composing.

Jernej Simončič �

@mdione @dwaites @ptrc @cstross It's a web app like Discord, except it's using Edge WebView2 instead of Electron (and you have to run it on desktop, not through a web browser). Not sure if anybody's figured out how to run adblockers across everything that uses WebView2 yet.

Daniel Waites :donor:

@jernej__s @ptrc @cstross oh man this interleaved ad thing is gonna be such a dumpster fire. There is no way Microsoft is going to QC those for phishing links; we saw with Google how that went. Imagine what is possible if they can microtarget based on inbox content.

Charlie Stross

@dwaites @jernej__s @ptrc They're going to let random threat actors inject raw javascript into your email inbox. Where it will be executed and install all sorts of malware on Microsoft's customer base.

(When I saw the shit about Outlook365 importing all email messages to Microsoft's cloud without consent last year I deleted Outlook and deactivated Microsoft Mail on my one Windows PC, replaced with Thunderbird for my own purposes, and I'm never going to let that shit back in again.)

Jernej Simončič �

@cstross @dwaites @ptrc I run my own mail server, and I've got one mailbox that's probably 200 GB of random, mostly unimportant crap. I've been thinking about using the new Outlook in some VM, and add that mailbox just to see what'd happen (and if Microsoft would try to cache it all on their servers).

Daniel Waites :donor:

@jernej__s @cstross @ptrc would be interesting to see if they slurp it all or just envelopes. In IMAP you can choose.

Charlie Stross

@dwaites @jernej__s @ptrc IIRC they slurp it all (and use it for training their LLMs).

Pandka

@ptrc When you thought they can’t go lower that somehow find new ways to do so.

Seasonal Stompy Robot

@ptrc if you don't pay for the product, you are the product

Lot⁴⁹

@ptrc Fastmail (fastmail.com) is $25 a year, doesn't have ads or sell your info. Seems cheap in comparison to this.

Lot⁴⁹

@ptrc Thought it might be of interest. No offense intended.

nSonic

@ptrc really? No option to ONLY show ads fullscreen? Bummer. 🤪

Александр
@ptrc Very customizable. Few services have options for people who love ads.
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