Windows users seem to have 2 states of being: 1. Windows...

Justin

@BrodieOnLinux

1. It's what came with the computer.

2. The benefits of "everything just works here" versus ads/privacy shit.

15 April at 3:19 | Open on toot.io

Raiden :rai: :neocat_flag_gay:

@BrodieOnLinux@linuxrocks.online Maybe the enterprise professionals or companies.

15 April at 3:21 | Open on grimgreenfo.rest

Kiloku

@BrodieOnLinux I guess whoever's making money off of the first two groups refusal to switch to other OSes.

15 April at 3:36 | Open on burnthis.town

Meghadeep Roy Chowdhury :kinoite: :fediverse: :veritrek: :verified_paw:

@BrodieOnLinux When I saw this flame war on Imgur a month ago, I favorited the post for exactly this purpose. I knew it’d come in handy one of these days.

15 April at 3:51 | Open on social.meghadeep.com

Job Bautista

@BrodieOnLinux As a former #PaleMoon developer, I like the fact that I can build Windows software with backwards compatibility while in the latest Windows version and toolchain. I can build PM in W11 while resting easy that the receipient of my build can run it just fine in their Windows 7 machine

Can't really say the same with Linux when you try to package the binaries in a distro-agnostic tarball. You have to build in a specific environment like a CentOS 7 with a specific GCC that you know is stable like GCC 9 (used to be GCC 7 even). This is what Pale Moon does to make its tarballs as compatible as possible with most Linux distros btw. Gets even worse if you are targetting 32-bit. You'd want it to be CentOS 6 and GCC 4.9 because there's a good chance that the audience for that binary is stuck on ancient hardware and therefore an ancient userland too (that was still maintained), unlike Windows 32-bit where there are modern users who specifically need 32-bit for their 32-bit only NPAPI plugins. Thankfully CentOS 6 went EOL and 32-bit Linux can therefore be phased out (it's a pain trying to keep compiling within the constraints of a 4GB system, and cross-compiling from 64-bit isn't as straightforward in Linux as Windows is unfortunately)

I can appreciate Windows in that front.

@BrodieOnLinux As a former #PaleMoon developer, I like the fact that I can build Windows software with backwards compatibility while in the latest Windows version and toolchain. I can build PM in W11 while resting easy that the receipient of my build can run it just fine in their Windows 7 machine

Can't really say the same with Linux when you try to package the binaries in a distro-agnostic tarball. You have to build in a specific environment like a CentOS 7 with a specific GCC that you know is stable...

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15 April at 3:59 | Open on tilde.zone

Yuuka

@BrodieOnLinux Bill Gates might still like it possibly lol

15 April at 4:03 | Open on mastodon.cloud

jokeyrhyme

@BrodieOnLinux

"There's no way to prevent this" say users of the only operating system where this regularly happens

15 April at 4:14 | Open on aus.social

NiceMicro

@BrodieOnLinux people seem to always like the #Windows that is 2 versions in the past and they aren't using it any more so they are nostalgic about it.

15 April at 4:33 | Open on fosstodon.org

Alfabravo :manjaro:

@BrodieOnLinux sysadmins. It gives them control over users with "nice GUI wizards" and tools designed to track you / restrict your actions / keep you from using unwanted software.

15 April at 4:55 | Open on linuxrocks.online

Stanford

@BrodieOnLinux I think I liked Windows XP.

At least considering what else was available back then it was a good choice.

I would even go so far and say many people actually liked it :neocat_think:

15 April at 5:40 | Open on iceshrimp.social

Steven 🎃

@BrodieOnLinux Type 3: Taylor Swift-themed novelty accounts

15 April at 5:42 | Open on zeroes.ca

rust_

going on way too long about my thoughts about windows... tl;dr in advance: windows for me is comfortable, i use startallback + msedgeredirect to combat microsoft's capitalist tactics, i have positive experiences with linux (debian stable w/ gnome), i think both are great options depending on use case. it really depends on what you want and what you're comfortable with

@BrodieOnLinux@linuxrocks.online i stick with windows primarily because that's where the software i use works, and ive set up my workflow to work with the way windows is structured... with windows 11 specifically, i use startallback to replace the taskbar, and microsoft's own powertoys to run applications and find files. i find it to be a lot easier than sifting through folders in start menus just to find what i want

ive grown familiar with the windows interface and software that works only on windows..thats not to say i havent toyed with linux (i liked the gnome interface, kde looks interesting to me)

linux for me is unfortunately hard to switch to as i'm the subset of people who use adobe products and clip studio paint for creative work, and unfortunately there's been no FOSS software i've seen that's able to replicate adobe animate's symbol/tween/shape tween/bitmap features, or editors that could work for YTP editing (not including resolve, as that barely works as is on linux!)

while i have tried krita, i still have some issues with it that the current stable release hasn't fixed yet, and even then, this would still leave the adobe products waiting to be replaced... i know in a linux machine you could either use WINE or a VM, but WINE support is up in the air + unstable, and VMs are just gonna make me prefer using a proper windows machine (which was what i did when running debian stable w/ gnome originally)

whats weird is that i always hear about updates fucking with peoples computers, the dreaded 'patch tuesday', boot loops, ads in file explorer, being nagged for bloat features, performance issues, etc... but i've never had any of these problems on my install of windows 11, like i have copilot, i don't use it, but im never bothered about it by microsoft at all to use it...this might be because im using MSEdgeRedirect with StartAllBack to put the taskbar on the left side of the screen and style it closer to windows 7...looks nicer that way in my opinion

i want to bet that at some point down the line that microsoft will find a way to drive me off of windows somehow, which would probably only be when they forcefully refuse to let me use startallback or the such, and make me pay per month to even use my operating system. and if i do make that switch, i can at least know that i've been able to make my experience on linux pretty much great the first time, and i'm sure with enough tinkering i can get...something figured out to replicate my drawing and animating stuff. just a matter of what happens

@BrodieOnLinux@linuxrocks.online i stick with windows primarily because that's where the software i use works, and ive set up my workflow to work with the way windows is structured... with windows 11 specifically, i use startallback to replace the taskbar, and microsoft's own powertoys to run applications and find files. i find it to be a lot easier than sifting through folders in start menus just to find what i want

ive grown familiar with the windows interface and software that works only on windows..thats...

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15 April at 6:09 | Open on lethallava.land

elly

@BrodieOnLinux Not really, it's just a tool... and they tend to get more and more annoyed (rightfully so) with more and more bloat added to the OS, changing interface and so on.

Windows 11 is absolutely atrocious, even my most stubborn friends said they'll need my help with getting used to Linux once M$ drops support for W10. It's perfect timing too, since new driver for Nvidia cards will be ready by then.

Many of my co-workers comment on me using KDE in the office and think it's "fast" and "pretty", but they wouldn't switch to Linux because "nothing works on it" (in regards to M$'s tools). I tried explaining to them that you can use webapps, there are ""native"" clients for teams or thunderbird instead of outlook and even full O365 replacement in form of LibreOffice but they're well, stubborn for the lack of better word. Favourite party trick is showing them Steam running on it with windows-only games, it somehow blows their minds.

The only solid argument I've seen in favour of Windows is backwards compatibility, but realistically speaking, it's not that important since most software can be easily patched to run on newer systems and we seem to be moving towards flatpak-powered future anyway. Plus, wine has better compatibility with very old windows games/software than windows itself.

@BrodieOnLinux Not really, it's just a tool... and they tend to get more and more annoyed (rightfully so) with more and more bloat added to the OS, changing interface and so on.

Windows 11 is absolutely atrocious, even my most stubborn friends said they'll need my help with getting used to Linux once M$ drops support for W10. It's perfect timing too, since new driver for Nvidia cards will be ready by then.

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15 April at 6:37 | Open on donotsta.re