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Simon Poole

@zverik so now you will likely argue that a new maps.me/OM mapper is not worth the same as a new everydoor mapper because the retention/conversion rate is much lower. So lets factor that in

Cost for new larger mappers per editor 2023.
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Simon Poole

@zverik and wrt the argument that you don't get new stuff without spending money.

Literally all editors in that list were initially developed by private initiative, and those private individuals,/organisations/corporations carried the risk that nothing would come of it (and the list of the projects with that outcome is long). Why would the OSMF subsume your risk over that of others?

Ilya Zverev

@simon Why me and not others? Good point — I don't know! In this R&D thread I'd argue that SC and ED are the only two editors actively innovating OSM editing today. We see the outcome: two products that slowly crawl to replace iD and JOSM as primary editors for beginner and dedicated mappers. OSM got those for free. But just as with Merkaartor, OWL, 360°, and - almost - iD, it can lose it for free as well.

Good thing all nine editors in your lists are made by people from first-world countries!

Simon Poole replied to Ilya

@zverik "2 two products that slowly crawl to replace iD and JOSM as primary editors for beginner and dedicated mappers." the numbers clearly do not support that conjecture.

Ilya Zverev replied to Simon

@simon OSM is a long game; let's get back to this in five years :)

Simon Poole replied to Ilya

@zverik 5 x 0 = 0

Less snarky: there is hardly any replacement of conventional editing now, so why should that be different in 5 years, more supplemental use, yes I can see that (that is assuming current product profiles, obviously a name is just a name, so can be used for something completely different).

Ilya Zverev

@simon Haha no, I'd argue the opposite: drive-by mappers probably make edits that are out of reach to mappers who stay. I made this point at SotM in 2015 and stand by it today. OM is important to us because it reaches audiences SC/iD cannot ever.

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