Gregory's Server@alttexthalloffame No, I will continue to do so because the alternative is to risk $150,000 copyright charges at the hands of predatory copyleft trolls:
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Cory Doctorow
@alttexthalloffame There is NO standard for attribution, hence the need to do AS MUCH attribution as possible, in order to allow any claims to be knocked back prior to expensive litigation. 
Alt Text Hall of Fame
@pluralistic I'd love to hear @Gargron's thoughts on this. https://mastodon.social/@Gargron/112118260677357857 "Content created by others must be attributed" Sounds like we might need to add a new field separate from alt text? Only about a third of images have description (as per @AltTextHealthCheck), and who knows how much of that is actually usable. That's really bad.
Cory Doctorow
@alttexthalloffame @Gargron @AltTextHealthCheck IMO - as an avid caption writer - the most useful thing would be a field in IMAGES (e.g. EXIF) that could contain the descriptions and maintain them between services. My workflow is farcically complex and tracking descriptions across days is just a bridge too far, but if I could embed the description in the image so that it was available wherever I posted the image, that would be huge.
Alt Text Hall of Fame
@pluralistic @Gargron @AltTextHealthCheck I've seen people make this point about alt text being part of EXIF data, this would definitely make the most sense. 
lukethelibrarian
@pluralistic @alttexthalloffame @Gargron @AltTextHealthCheck the EXIF 2.1 and 2.2 metadata standards include attributes for both ImageDescription and Copyright. The definition for the latter identifies it as "copyright holder" but it could be used for broader license information.
Alt Text Hall of Fame
@lukethelibrarian @pluralistic @Gargron @AltTextHealthCheck Great! We'd then just need Mastodon (and the rest of the fediverse platforms) to allow editing and displaying this information, without having to change the ActivityPub standard.
lukethelibrarian
@alttexthalloffame @pluralistic @Gargron @AltTextHealthCheck maybe, maybe not. Cory said this was about reusability within his own POSSE process, so it's really about whether the tools he uses as part of that process can populate Alt Text based on the EXIF ImageDescription, or could be modified to do so. 
matt
sounds like <cite>...</cite> @lukethelibrarian @pluralistic @alttexthalloffame @Gargron @AltTextHealthCheck 
linguistic chaos goblin
@alttexthalloffame Oh, Gargron's thoughts on image descriptions are not going to help here, he's said "when you're trying to make a point, or maybe you're out and about somewhere and you're just posting something quickly, you don't always have the time to type it in. So it's a good attitude to watch out and make sure that everything is accessible, but it can go overboard." https://www.platformer.news/mastodon-interview-eugen-rochko-meta-bluesky-threads-federation/
Reinhilde Bjornsdottir
@pluralistic @alttexthalloffame Then put it in the main text, just like these words. |
@pluralistic "I did that in multiple places: both in the Twitter thread and in the alt text of the image."
Why is it necessary to do both? I am not seeing anything online about attribution being required as part of alt text, only that it's present. (Happy to be corrected.)