@ariadne @dysfun hm. Somehow my perception is very...

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@ariadne @dysfun hm. Somehow my perception is very different here. The time I've sunk into trying to figure out why systemd is (or is not) doing something while wrangling service files is… significant. And pretty much all of my bubble shares this view: it's great while it works, but as soon as something goes wrong you're left digging for scraps of rare helpful output and trying to divine from manpages what is going on. The tools are /horrible/ at telling you /why/ things are as they are.

Like 5 March at 21:12 | Wall-to-wall | Open on chaos.social

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extreme organic gay

@equinox @ariadne this. it was the thing that finally made me go alpine in the first place.

5 March at 21:13 | Open on social.treehouse.systems

Ariadne Conill 🐰

@dysfun @equinox i suspect that if alpine devs collaborated with lennart that this aspect of systemd could be improved significantly.

5 March at 21:22 | Open on social.treehouse.systems

extreme organic gay

@ariadne @equinox i expect if you fork it they can, but given how lennart behaves on github i have precisely zero faith you can collaborate with him and achieve anything useful.

5 March at 21:23 | Open on social.treehouse.systems

Ariadne Conill 🐰 replied to extreme organic gay

@dysfun @equinox we have had conversations with him over the years and he has largely come around to seeing our thinking on a number of issues, which led to pmOS feeling like they could pull the trigger. i worry more about openrc having basically no maintenance and the code being a minefield of potential CVEs than dealing with lennart on a bad day.

5 March at 21:24 | Open on social.treehouse.systems

Ariadne Conill 🐰

@equinox @dysfun yes, i agree there, but that’s more a problem of trying to explain failures in a directed graph moreso than it is a fault of systemd itself. even apk fails to describe failures in dependency graphs effectively, and god knows i’ve tried to improve that output…

5 March at 21:14 | Open on social.treehouse.systems

@equinox @ariadne @dysfun I can't imagine this being a systemd fault, when almost every tool that fails is just bad at telling me why it fails. I've also built software that has the same problem.

5 March at 21:27 | Open on donotsta.re