Gregory's Server@anildash you may get to the rest of my threads about this at some point. But I'll say it here as well. My argument was never to say "people don't get to be mad about this". That's not even a discussion I care about. My discussion was "being mad at this one random guy does not solve your safety problem. So now what?"
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  @tshirtman @anildash right. Make one random guy's life hell as a warning to everyone else. Makes sense.  @tshirtman @polotek it’s worked at chasing off lots of devs and even more casuals. For sure. @tshirtman This is getting thrown around a fair bit, but regulation is a legal/technical solution to social problems. The thing missing in a lot of what’s happening that bothers folks so much today (and arguably the reason Mastodon exists) is a reluctance/incompetence of gvts to regulate social media. I’m not suggesting I know how that should work but it’s still wild west and with ‘AI’ going to get worse pretty fast imo @tshirtman It seems a bit like the reason for the adage of being unable to solve social problems with technical solutions is that engineers are typically not trained in the social sciences. If they were (or if social scientists were welcome and encouraged to work in tandem with engineering teams) there’s a pretty good chance that technical solutions would be a lot more effective  @tshirtman @polotek @anildash “you can’t fix social problems with technical solutions” is a phrase I see with basically no support whatsoever. Encryption, for example, seems to be a very effective solution to “don’t snoop on private conversations.” There’s even varying levels of technical security based on how much you care. @agocke @tshirtman @polotek this is only tech solving a social problem if every conversation everywhere is encrypted. You can't fix social problems with technical solutions. @anildash @tshirtman @polotek if it has to be solved everywhere to be considered solved, nothing can be solved. In some cases it looks like only tech can solve social problems, e.g. gun control. |
@polotek @anildash i think people getting mad about it are trying to create and enforce cultural norms, they don't want the tools to be needed to protect people, they want it to be taboo, and harshly punished, to do the things they think are bad for privacy.
I think it's related to the "you can't fix social problems with technical solutions", idea, if you try to enforce things technically, there is always a way around, so they want culture to solve it instead. Except there will be outliers.