Gregory's Server@tillshadeisgone you do have some say. With your admin and your local insurance. I'm not sure how many ways I have to try to explain this. Your controls over how your data spreads are in your hands. It doesn't require going around the entire world trying to prevent every other human from making decisions you don't agree with. I promise you will fail at that.
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 @tillshadeisgone I did address the points. Very directly. I understand people have decided to yell at this one guy and try to force him to make his tool opt-in. I don't agree with that strategy, but whatever. My point is what happens when the next guy doesn't even ask you before he does it? Do you expect everyone who tries this to announce it? @tillshadeisgone my actually point that very few people want to address is if you care about privacy, why aren't you doing anything about your actual privacy? Why are you waiting until somebody announces that they're gonna do something you're uncomfortable with? Why aren't you rethinking the decisions about what instance you joined and what controls you have? "I'm concerned about harassment on the internet. I guess I have no choice but to join the dogpile on this one guy".  @polotek thanks Marco, you’re making a ton of sense and speaking clearly. these are great conversations to be having and I appreciate you opening a few new ways to think about it @tillshadeisgone I did address it. But sure. I'll do it yet again. I didn't say that I think he should be able to do this. I don't have an opinion either way. What I said was nobody can stop him. Nobody is in charge. You keep trying to have a moral argument with me and I'm politely declining. I don't have any power to dictate what that guy does and does not get to do. And I'm making decisions accordingly. @tillshadeisgone is that clear? I know it's not the answer you were hoping for. But it is a direct answer. Is there a different way I can directly answer your question so that you don't have to keep repeating it? Let me know. @tillshadeisgone none of this is "baffling" to me. I understand everything about why people are upset. You seem to confused because I'm still suggesting that being upset is not sufficient to solve the actual problem. People seem to think that having random strangers acknowledge that you're right to be upset will somehow make everything okay.  Is it like, you're looking at this bridge episode as indicative of the overall Fediverse structure being inadequate for privacy/safety, whereas most people (me too I admit) have had their focus on the shape of that one particular situation? kind of like "don't get hung up on this one particular example with this one particular guy, there's a bigger picture which needs attention"? |
@polotek the reason you feel like nobody is hearing what you are saying and that you keep repeating yourself is that you aren't engaging the points being raised.
You're saying there are tools available, we're saying those tools aren't readily available or equally accessible to all users. You don't seem to believe that, but it is the case.
You're saying we're trying to control everyone's behavior, we're saying we're trying to preserve privacy and safety and consent. Opt-in has been suggested and I still don't see why that would have been so terrible or unimaginable. All I've heard you say against it is that he shouldn't have had to do it that way. Why shouldn't he? What is so important about opt out? What right does he have to forcing everyone else to respond to his actions? Why is our concern for privacy less important than his desire for participants?
Finally, I've heard you say a few times that it's unrealistic to try and control how other people behave. Obviously we cannot control other people's decisions. But what, are you arguing we're not supposed to have any reactions to what other people do, ever? Especially when it impacts us? What kind of sense does that make?
@polotek the reason you feel like nobody is hearing what you are saying and that you keep repeating yourself is that you aren't engaging the points being raised.
You're saying there are tools available, we're saying those tools aren't readily available or equally accessible to all users. You don't seem to believe that, but it is the case.