Gregory's Server@polotek @tillshadeisgone An angle I'd like you to think about is how you should respond when someone tells you they're hurting. You could tell them they aren't really & that they need to toughen up, or you could tell them that it's for their own good, or any number of responses. Even if you don't personally understand or relate to someone's situation, I think it's best to say 'I hear you' or show some empathy. People are really afraid of brigading from this.
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 @polotek @sbszine @tillshadeisgone There's one of him, but he wants to take the content of millions of us. @TomSwirly @polotek @sbszine @tillshadeisgone How is he taking? If a post is marked public, its public - if you don't want it taken, don't mark it public. @Da_Gut just because someone makes a public post on the fedi doesn't mean they want it to end up on Bluesky. That's not an unfair way to feel. @tillshadeisgone We use different meanings of the word "public". To you, public means "the fedi", to me, public means everyone, everywhere - the original meaning of public. I'm not sure how to reconcile the differing meanings, frankly.  @Da_Gut @TomSwirly @sbszine @tillshadeisgone people are very concerned about the honor system on the internet. You didn't know that? @polotek @TomSwirly @sbszine @tillshadeisgone Autistic, There is a metric shit ton I don't know, especially socially.  @polotek @tillshadeisgone I'm not a moral relativist. I'm fine with the one bad guy having a worse time than the many victims. Keep dodging the issue though. @sbszine @tillshadeisgone I'm not dodging anything. It's you that is pretending that this one guy is your only problem. Or that your strategy for privacy is going around making strident moral arguments to every other human in the entire world to get them to do what is best for you personally. Rather than availing yourself of the tools at your disposal. Good luck with that I guess. @sbszine @tillshadeisgone "if he's not doing what I want then fuck that guy. But yeah I totally care about protecting other people from harassment. Just not him. Cause fuck that guy." @sbszine @tillshadeisgone trump, netanyahu and some random guy with a laptop. The new axis of evil. This gave me a good laugh. Thanks for that. Sincerely. 😂 @polotek An ad absurdum obviously but you get the idea! Not everyone has equal power and privilege. Bridge guy is nowhere near the Trump level but initially he was oblivious to any ethical or privacy concerns. (His years at Google probably didn't help there either!) This is a common thing I see in tech classrooms, where the people with the privilege to be in tech see end users as a faceless resource or a means to an end. @sbszine this post is rife with a ton of your own simplistic and presumptuous notions about other people. It's super weird. For the record, I do not "get the idea". Bringing trump and netanyahu into this context was incredibly jarring and did nothing to help you seem more reasonable. And this post only makes it worse. It feels clear to me that you're not a person I want to be talking to. I'm gonna move on. Take care. @polotek @tillshadeisgone As I've said to you elsewhere, I agree this one guy isn't the only problem and my preferred answer to this is delegated authorisation as used by LTIs and the like. Putting pressure on bad actors is the tool at my disposal so I'm doing that. So far it's working, but as I said above it's not my preferred solution. @sbszine @tillshadeisgone "so far it's working". I think this is the specific part that I disagree with. And I keep asking why people think it's sufficient. But I get it. That's all people feel empowered to do. So we're gonna just wait around until the bad thing happens. And then be mad about that to anybody who will listen. Being mad in public is the security blanket. I think we understand each other better. Thanks for hanging in there. @polotek It's a question of how you see protesting and social pressure. Sometimes, yep, it's just people getting mad & nothing is achieved. Sometimes it's effective or maybe just lets you know you're not alone. It's a case by case thing. For me the Iraq invasion protests were unsuccessful but it was good to see the huge worldwide turnout. The pressure has been successful with this bridge thing & I think it's a good result where you can still use the bridge if you want. @polotek And again, I agree it's not sufficient or sustainable -- the protest has to work every time -- but it's what we have absent a technical solution to our data being flowed to an advertising server like the bsky indexer. If the next bridge or whatever ignores the social pressure then you might see legal action or some sort of technical response. Anyway I'm satisfied with the outcome here where bridge fans can opt in & privacy is the default. |
@sbszine @tillshadeisgone how do you think the bridge guy is doing today? You think he might be hurting at all? I mean people are equating him with Richard Spencer today.