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Red Oak

@polotek how much time is each of us supposed to spend keeping track of what tools and domains we should opt out of, just to maintain the existing state of our networks? How much room in our bio is for us, and how much is for randos to dictate by making us opt out of their crap? What about users who don't speak English or don't happen to see the announcement of these opt-out services as they pop up? If we're not supposed to raise a stink about it, missing announcements is much more likely.

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Marco Rogers replied to Red

@redoak I'm not telling you what to do about it. Raise as much stink as you want. But I'm not sure why that feels like less work than just turning off open federation.

Red Oak replied to Red

@polotek sure, better tools is the best long term answer to a lot of the issues being raised by the bluesky bridge. But it's not unreasonable to respond unkindly to someone you've never met showing up and announcing they're going to violate your community norms and expectations just because technically they can.

Janne Moren replied to Red

@redoak @polotek
Are those the community norms and expectations though? Or only those of a subgroup?

If it stays up and you want to block it, you can. But if it gets shut down, you can no longer choose to embrace it. The group that disliked it got to decide for everybody.

I'm not sure that's fair.

Marco Rogers replied to Janne

@jannem @redoak most people don't actually give a fuck about "fair". And I mean that sincerely.

Jennifer Moore replied to Janne

@jannem @redoak @polotek

I could be wrong, but I doubt it's going to be shut down. More likely it's going to become opt-in.

That will likely lead to wider adoption in the long run, because if it's opt-out, it'll get a lot of opt-outs at instance level.

Red Oak replied to Janne

@jannem @polotek

I didn't say i meant the whole fedi - there are communities here for whom it's true. I don't think there is one Fediverse Community and i don't see any logic to minimizing various parts of the fedi as "only a subgroup" except to justify ignoring their wishes and boundaries.

Me, i do think it should be shut down. If you want to feed Dorsey's Data Mill you are free to register there. We can't take that away from you. But the question at hand for the bridge is opt-in vs opt-out.

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