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Zach Leatherman :11ty:

The table shows how much of the web is being broken with the release of iOS 17.4.

via infrequently.org/2024/02/home-

Support for App-like UI, Settings Integration, Reliable Storage, Push Notifications, Icon Badging all being removed in iOS 17.4. Supported on Windows and Android.
26 February at 19:20 | Open on fediverse.zachleat.com
28 comments
khm
this is the most compelling iphone advertisement I've ever seen
26 February at 20:19 | Open on hj.9fs.net
jerry

@zachleat maybe web devs should stop giving Apple their money in protest.

26 February at 20:35 | Open on techhub.social
Zach Leatherman :11ty:

@jerryD maybe! I think there are plenty of levers that can be pulled, if folks are interested in taking steps.

Firstly, this survey open-web-advocacy.org/blog/its

26 February at 20:59 | Open on fediverse.zachleat.com
Steve Lhomme

@zachleat @jw don't forget to turn off automatic updates, or you might get screwed overnight

26 February at 21:00 | Open on rivals.space
David Brown :prami:

@zachleat in the “EU only” and “adhering to EU regulations”.

26 February at 22:04 | Open on social.lol
Zach Leatherman :11ty:

“It’s only in the EU” 😬 from folks that don’t live in the EU 😬😬😬

26 February at 22:42 | Open on fediverse.zachleat.com
Evan B🥥ehs

@zachleat I wish I lived in the EU so I could hop on the sexy interoperability request form

26 February at 22:46 | Open on social.coop
Alfonso Martínez de Lizarrondo

@eb @zachleat if you're a developer with users in the EU affected by these changes you can use the form.

27 February at 6:04 | Open on mastodon.social
Cory :prami_pride_demi:

@zachleat Glad to see folks are really invested in all of their users. Sigh.

26 February at 22:51 | Open on social.lol
David Hayes :prami:

@zachleat "only" is doing *a lot* of heavy lifting in that sentence, geez.

26 February at 22:58 | Open on social.lol
James Kerr
Konnor Rogers
Karin!

@zachleat the "EU made us do it" excuse is so hilarious. Weird how Android can still somehow support web apps just fine, I guess Apple is just bad at technology

26 February at 23:51 | Open on carhenge.club
CaveDave

@zachleat considering not upgrading if that's the case

27 February at 0:34 | Open on mastodon.social
Tushar Chauhan

@zachleat They are bringing about radical change again so that the world can be a better place. Time to put on our turtlenecks and pay some iRansom for mostly useless technology again.

27 February at 0:54 | Open on mastodon.mit.edu
MigMit

@zachleat Who the hell decided that push notification FROM A WEB PAGE are a good idea?

27 February at 0:56 | Open on mstdn.social
James Henstridge

@migmit @zachleat If the web page is some kind of messaging or social media app, then push notifications might make a lot of sense.

I have them enabled for the Mastodon PWA on my phone, for instance.

27 February at 2:31 | Open on aus.social
Martin Pallmann

@migmit @zachleat it is. If you opt in to it and install it on your home screen.

27 February at 4:26 | Open on chaos.social
Alfonso Martínez de Lizarrondo

@martinpallmann @migmit @zachleat the install to home screen requirement is another non sense from Apple.
Most web pages don't need push notifications but in other cases it makes a lot of sense. In order to be able to use them the user has to grant that permission, but in the other hand any native app gets that permission (and many others) by default

27 February at 6:08 | Open on mastodon.social
10-volt :neocat_flag_ace:

@migmit @zachleat its useful for web apps that apple is destroying

27 February at 5:28 | Open on wetdry.world
joshhunt

@zachleat nice, doesn't look like that much. Very little impact to me as a user or a developer 👍

27 February at 1:01 | Open on hachyderm.io
nrk
:blobcatlaptop: gravitos :blobcatcomfsip:​

@zachleat this might actually mean more native apps. less chromium in the background.

or more electron

27 February at 6:16 | Open on wetdry.world
Duco

@gravitos @zachleat apple uses safari in the background and forced every browser you can install on iOS to use safari under the hood, too. So more native apps replacing PWA means less safari, not less chromium.

More Electron would mean more chromium, because Electron uses chromium under the hood. Electron apps are for the desktop, and do not work on the IPhone. But there are other tools doing similar things.

27 February at 11:58 | Open on norden.social
dmitriid

@zachleat

So... Not much of the web at all then.

Don't get me wrong: Apple are assholes.

I find it sad that the whole issue revolves around one of the absolute worst things imaginable: web apps. I keep asking lamenting this one simple question and never get the answer:

1/

27 February at 6:19 | Open on mastodon.nu
dmitriid

@zachleat

Lack of which particular PWA features cause Twitter to lose scroll position, take up to a second to pop up an image when you click on it, have clunky janky scroll, break and reload the entire page if you scroll to far and too fast?

(Same question for most other web apps)

2/2

27 February at 6:19 | Open on mastodon.nu
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