@richardcrawshaw @plexus

Heck, add a t square, scale, couple triangles, and you can do some really neat and detailed things with paper and pencil! No ongoing yearly subscription to Autodesk either.

In all reality, a good draftsman (they're a dying breed but I've got the privilege of working with one!) can draft a plan on paper slightly faster than civil 3d if you know exactly what you want from the start and do coordination on the front end. Where CAD saves (lots of) time is in the revisions.