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Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

Yes, #Apple will demote WebApps to bookmarks on iOS 17.4 in the EU. Yes, they claim the EU is to blame. And no, that is not true IMHO. What is right is that under the DMA (Digital Market Access) rules WebApps could become a real escape route for Apps to avoid the Apple App Store tax. So better to close that possible loophole and blame the evil EU. IMHO. Reminds me a lot of the Cookie Banner stuff. Same story. Same blame game.

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Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

Apple can rely on the tech media and social networks algorithms to blow this out of proportion with people fighting over β€žApple is evilβ€œ and β€žApple is always rightβ€œ while both sides will unconsciously support the wrong β€žThe EU is evilβ€œ argument. And THAT is what the spindoctors want you to believe.

Cristian

@jwildeboer it's always incredible to me how many people love defending a trillion dollar company when faced with things it doesn't want/like to change.

Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

@cmsirbu The pattern I am focusing on is that lobbying against democratic institutions by blaming them for every decision the Big Corps "have" to take, because there really, really is nothing they can do against those evil bureaucrats that limit "our" freedom to use their tech.

chris

@jwildeboer You're πŸ’― spot on with this one. And it's eating me that even fedi is full of people who are into that sort of self-humiliation to fall for corpo BS every single time.

stefan
@jwildeboer Apple really does its best to smear DMA and/or make it useless since its attacking their precious garden.
Veronica Olsen πŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆπŸ‡³πŸ‡΄πŸŒ»

@jwildeboer The Cookie Banner stuff drives me nuts. They pop these big forms in our face just to force us to click "OK" to get them to go away, and falsely blame GDPR for the mess. It's Trumpian tactics. I hope EU starts to sanction sites that does this.

Matt Γ— πŸ‡³πŸ‡΄ πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

@veronica @jwildeboer I know it's not so straightforward, but the GDPR rules should have stipulated that sites must respect the Do Not Track (DNT) option in the browser. No pop-ups needed.

But yes, they did a shitty implementation and its annoying and it’s intentionally annoying so you just accept tracking cookies that you didn't really want.

Veronica Olsen πŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆπŸ‡³πŸ‡΄πŸŒ»

@matt @jwildeboer I mean, it doesn't really matter what I click, because I use an addon to block the cookies anyway, but for work it's less straightforward as we are not allowed addons on the work computer.

Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

@matt @veronica And wehen that didn't work good enough, the ad industry happily found out that almost all of their tracking can be defined as "legitimate interest" (spoiler alert: that's not what legitimate interest means under EU regulations).

koehntopp ~ :

@jwildeboer
The irony, of course, being that iOS started with WebApps only.

Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

@koehntopp (I personally think that WebApps are a bad solution to a problem that doesn't really exist and that the Web should ideally consist of archivable, immutable content with a stable URI/URL and not as platform to shoehorn everything on top of in weird ways ;)

koehntopp ~ :

@jwildeboer
Hence my previous remark where I thought Web Apps were nothing but a URL shortcut opening in Kiosk mode.

Robin Jakobsson

@jwildeboer I disagree. It's a security feature. #EU is in the wrong on this one (as they were with the pointless cookie-law).

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