Roni Laukkarinen

@renchap My thoughts:

- Can you quote a post when replying to someone

Yes.

- Is pasting a link into a post quoting? What if there are multiple posts linked?

Yes. Twitter, Threads and Bluesky ”create” the ”embedded post preview” once you paste the link in the compose form. This behavior is well accepted and expected I presume.

- How to handle implementations, instances or clients not supporting quote posts

Then the posts show up just links.

- How does this interact with moderation? Blocking?

The quote post becomes unavailable once blocked, ”The quoted post is not available”.

As for privacy and freedom of choice in general: Ideally there should be a setting that lets you choose whether you want your posts to be quoted but I think the current privacy settings could be used for this.

- How do we handle ActivityPub implementations with slightly different formats, like if they support quoting multiple posts in the same status?

This is the only challenging question I suppose. The best option could be to show just one quote post and rest of them as links.

Like 13 February at 18:28 | Wall-to-wall | Open on mementomori.social

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Dana Fried

@rolle @renchap

> The quote post becomes unavailable once blocked, ”The quoted post is not available”.

The problem is: for whom? How is this enforced?

Ideally, if use A quotes user B and user B blocks user A, then the quote post goes away, or the link becomes completely invalid.

Otherwise users C, D, E, etc. who view user A's post can still click through the link and harass the person. This was a serious problem on Twitter.

13 February at 19:39 | Open on mastodon.social

Roni Laukkarinen

@tess @renchap That is something that can be improved here if we want to continue making Mastodon ”healthier” plave. If I block user A who has quoted me, that should always invalidate all past, present and future quotes from me by user A, the same way that user can no longer view or interact with any of my posts when blocked. So ideally the quoted post would become unavailable for everyone. The other users can of course choose to ask or circumvent this in other ways. The link technically would be left intact so not sure how it would work anyway 🤔 Food for thought.

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13 February at 20:28 | Open on mementomori.social

Dana Fried

@rolle @renchap perhaps if the link was encrypted and went through the server? There has to be a way to do it; whether it's practical or efficient is another question.

13 February at 20:37 | Open on mastodon.social

Renaud Chaput

@tess @rolle This is one of the problems, but we have ideas. With a federated network this is really hard to solve, and you cant really ensure that a bad actor with custom code will do things properly.

13 February at 20:41 | Open on oisaur.com

Dana Fried

@renchap @rolle I mean, you can always just post a hard link to a public post, or screenshot.

The big thing is to make the easy path the one with the protections, which forces people to be actively malicious instead of just casually cruel, and also to make the easy path nudge people towards prosocial behavior.

This is also why I continue to advocate for bottom text on QBs, because it encourages "yes, and..." and discourages "hey look at this asshole".

13 February at 21:03 | Open on mastodon.social

Renaud Chaput

@tess @rolle We are currently leaning toward having the quoted post on top, yes. And we agree that the goal is to not make it easy to dunk on people. It will still be possible (same as the current state), but we dont want to make it easier or more effective.

13 February at 21:05 | Open on oisaur.com

Dana Fried

@renchap @rolle

Thank you so much. I appreciate that y'all are not just aping what other platforms do, but are trying to do what's best for the folks who spend time on fedi.

❤️

13 February at 21:11 | Open on mastodon.social