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Dr. Quadragon ❌

@tennoseremel What else do you propose amid the distro zoo? It's not ideal, but, it's literally the best contender.

19 Dec 2023 at 16:44 | Open on mastodon.ml
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Ténno Seremélʹ

@drq ZIP-file is the best thing if you want something outside. Repository for everything else.

19 Dec 2023 at 16:46 | Open on lor.sh
Dr. Quadragon ❌
Ténno Seremélʹ

@drq I'm unsure why you think what you are saying is funny.

Whatever you distribution uses. And I've literally just said that for everything else there is nothing better than zip.

19 Dec 2023 at 16:49 | Open on lor.sh
Dr. Quadragon ❌

@tennoseremel It's funny because it doesn't address the core problem:

There are too many package formats, and repository trees, and none is actually "The Way". That makes Linux software packaging a nightmare.

And ZIP is just literally the Windows 98 way.

You are not looking at this from the developer's perspective. Suppose, I'm a developer for Windows and Mac, and I'm often requested to to make a Linux version of my app. Except... I can't. Because there's no "linux" way of doing this. There's "DEB package" (of Debian OR Ubuntu variety, they are not always compatible), there's "RPM package", there's "PKG package"... Well, I'm NOT going to read into all this just to maybe target the 3% of desktop users. Or maybe I'll just release for Ubuntu, because I heard Ubuntu is kinda popular.

We're in the situation where *some standard* is literally infinitely better than *no standard*, because the lack of standard is what's holding us back.

@tennoseremel It's funny because it doesn't address the core problem:

There are too many package formats, and repository trees, and none is actually "The Way". That makes Linux software packaging a nightmare.

And ZIP is just literally the Windows 98 way.

You are not looking at this from the developer's perspective. Suppose, I'm a developer for Windows and Mac, and I'm often requested to to make a Linux version of my app. Except... I can't. Because there's no "linux" way of doing this. There's "DEB...

19 Dec 2023 at 17:02 | Open on mastodon.ml
Ténno Seremélʹ

@drq
> And ZIP is just literally the Windows 98 way.

Which is still infinitely better than flatpak :blobcatcoffee:

19 Dec 2023 at 17:28 | Open on lor.sh
Dr. Quadragon ❌

@tennoseremel I don't care.

And I don't care how "good" or "bad" flatpaks are. This is just irrelevant.

From a developer's standpoint, all I care about is "decide on **something** already, you ADHD-riddled scatterbrained fucks!"

19 Dec 2023 at 20:57 | Open on mastodon.ml
Ténno Seremélʹ

@drq I don't understand your complain. ZIP is something :blobcatgooglyshrug:

20 Dec 2023 at 6:57 | Open on lor.sh
Dr. Quadragon ❌

@tennoseremel
ZIP is not a package management solution.

20 Dec 2023 at 7:32 | Open on mastodon.ml
Ténno Seremélʹ replied to Dr. Quadragon ❌

@drq And that's the best part.

20 Dec 2023 at 7:39 | Open on lor.sh
Dr. Quadragon ❌ replied to Ténno
Ténno Seremélʹ replied to Dr. Quadragon ❌

@drq How about you go there instead :blobcatcoffee:

20 Dec 2023 at 8:08 | Open on lor.sh
Dr. Quadragon ❌ replied to Ténno

@tennoseremel I'm not into manual software management.

20 Dec 2023 at 8:11 | Open on mastodon.ml
Ténno Seremélʹ replied to Dr. Quadragon ❌

@drq You are into overengineered solutions, thô.

20 Dec 2023 at 8:12 | Open on lor.sh
Dr. Quadragon ❌ replied to Ténno

@tennoseremel I'm into practicality.

Having no standards is not practical.

As for overengineered - well, we brought this onto ourselves - by having no standards, ironically. The distros won't ever agree on the structure of the OS? Well, if you can't bring a mountain to a man, you have to bring a man to a mountain.

If you want to bring order into a disordered system, you have to engineer for every contigency.

The plan is to run on every distro. How do you cover every distro?

So this is actually the least overengineered solution, it could be way, WAY worse.

@tennoseremel I'm into practicality.

Having no standards is not practical.

As for overengineered - well, we brought this onto ourselves - by having no standards, ironically. The distros won't ever agree on the structure of the OS? Well, if you can't bring a mountain to a man, you have to bring a man to a mountain.

20 Dec 2023 at 8:25 | Open on mastodon.ml
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