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@marcan @LunaFoxgirlVT @G33KatWork @tnt @kkarhan @lina yes maybe it's just me being extremely biased because nvidia has a track record of maximally screwing over the open drivers, but gut feeling is that the nvidia way sounds a lot more messy like from what I've heard apple's design seems pretty settled, which helps. nvidia's is a first cut because they panicked and try way to hard to hide stuff in the fw, and some things will need to drastically change at least for compute in upstream 4 comments
@marcan @LunaFoxgirlVT @G33KatWork @tnt @kkarhan @lina yeah I guess my worry is that nvidia has a track record of actively making the open stack harder than necessary, and some of the things suggest the new open driver + new fw blob is going to be a repeat apple seems to just not care and so more design things in a way that makes sense instead of trying real hard to make the gpl'ed kernel driver as small as possible (now that impossible is out), whether that makes sense or not technically  @sima @marcan @LunaFoxgirlVT @G33KatWork @tnt @lina *nodds in agreement* @marcan @LunaFoxgirlVT @G33KatWork @tnt @kkarhan @lina at least in my experience nothing good ever comes out of designing fw when your principle is to hide all your "vendor value add" in it and move it out of the gpl'ed kernel driver I've seen that in other places than nvidia, and it's absolute pain. and from what I've heard, this "hide it all in fw and use the kernel as the new shim to get access to gpl stuff" is absolutely their plan that's also why the fw is ginormous |
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@sima @LunaFoxgirlVT @G33KatWork @tnt @kkarhan @lina Yeah, I don't know if it's good or bad but at least for us we *know* we're getting whatever Apple does on macOS and there isn't any room for asking for something else, so the path forward is clear regardless of how easy or hard it is.