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If you have notes in Evernote it might be a good time to make sure they are safely backed up! Evernote looks to have fired almost all its employees.
news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3

72 comments
Ewen Bell

@liaizon

Yikes. We just moved everything over to UpNote a few weeks ago. Evernote kept losing entire documents and we were getting nervous.

kalmn

@liaizon Suddenly glad they didn’t hire me a few years ago.

Sam Levine

@liaizon My lab just moved over to Notion this week. For people who need permanent data archiving it was getting more and more risky (and according to my supervisor their tech support has been distinctly less responsive in the past 6 months).

wakest ⁂

@SRLevine eep I don't trust Notion either, they will eventually have the same downfall as all VC backed things do

Sam Levine

@liaizon I didn't choose it, but I think the idea was we needed *something* quickly that could take in evernote archives easily. The problem is a lot of electronic laboratory notebooks aren't any better in terms of who is funding them. Hopefully a long term solution presents itself sooner rather than later, since I really like the ELNs and am not willing to go back to paper.

wakest ⁂

@SRLevine I have been using Obsidian, and while its not open source all the data is kept in easily movable and preservable chunks in. away that almost non of the other big "note taking/journal" systems have. But yeah I don't know how much of a hassle moving Evernote archives around is and what shape they take.

Hollis

@liaizon @SRLevine I recently did a mass export on an old account, and discovered a tool to convert Evernote backups to markdown, which is what Obsidian uses. I had to export one notebook at a time, but otherwise it was pretty painless: github.com/wormi4ok/evernote2m

Anita Y Cheng

@liaizon @SRLevine Yup, I’m moving everything from Notion to Obsidian after Notion slowed to an unusable crawl after adding AI. I let their support team know and they supposedly fixed it, but I can never trust it again. I NEED my task management system (and notes about my kiddo) to work when I need it to, so a local solution like Obsidian is it. Bonus, you can store your vaults in iCloud Drive and get it on your phone for free!

James Louis Smith

@liaizon Thankfully I saw the writing on the wall a while ago and exported my stuff. I'm really glad I did though. Now it's all @obsidian all the way.

wakest ⁂

@scrivenersmith oh I totally didn't know @obsidian was here on the fediverse! now I am following them thanks! I have been an excited user of Obsidian for over a year now its a really powerful piece of software

James Louis Smith

@liaizon @obsidian Yeah I'm not much of a power user but it's always encouraging me you try new things.

TheFourthGuy

@liaizon This is sad. I was an early adopter using Evernote for many years. Yet their continued "improvements" that moved the service farther from its core usage eventually drove me away. I use Obsidian now.

John Brophy

@liaizon I wouldn't worry. If we learned anything from Twitter, it's that tech companies don't need employees.

Random Seed

@liaizon I’ve been using EN for something like 11-12 years for writing and project notes, even though they kept ‘updating’ it away from where I actually liked it. Thanks for the heads-up!

Stop That

@liaizon It’s so sad to see Evernote slowly dying like this. I used to love it and use it every day.

Brian Nelson

@liaizon I converted all my evernote to obsidian not too long ago. Doesn't work quite as well since search of PDFs isn't possible.

Marie Buhtz

@liaizon @howtoadhd do you use Evernote? I can't remember who I heard using it...

Brian Dear

@liaizon Reason 35288 why I stuck with ASCII text files and the Unix filesystem of directories and subdirectories to store and organize 300GB of documents, transcripts, web captures, images, and audio files. I started my book project in WordPerfect in the 80s and when WP died went to ASCII and never looked back. Everybody said ooh use Scrivener, use Evernote, and I was like, nah, they won’t last. Book finally published in 2017. Glad the research isn’t lost inside some dying company’s app/cloud.

Edge

@liaizon @griff Oh no. I’ve used them for yonks, from back when you could fill up a database file!

Never wanted to sync, just keep things local. Well, crap. I’ve spent days trying to find alternatives. Double damn.

Thanks very much for the post.

Simon Lucy

@liaizon

Balls, it's one of my favourite integrations as it's so gnarly.

Antifa Franklin 🇵🇸

@liaizon stopped using it after I got a notification that someone else accessed my account, thankfully it only contained shopping lists.

Femme Malheureuse

@liaizon Great. Just great. Haven't been in Evernote in a while, had to go through forced password reset, and now this.

The DJ Mr P

@liaizon Another way to look at Evernote's problems is that what is core to Evernote is a feature to others such as Dropbox and Box. They also were up against Office suites (Office, Workspace, Zoho Office) that gave that same type app as part of more important stuff you were already paying for. Why pay extra for Evernote when OneNote comes with your Office subscription?
So, they were forced to try and monetize something everyone else gave away with stuff you needed.
Ultimately, note taking doesn't lack value (since everyone does it, there must be some value to consumers) its just easy to build and hence lacks unique value.

@liaizon Another way to look at Evernote's problems is that what is core to Evernote is a feature to others such as Dropbox and Box. They also were up against Office suites (Office, Workspace, Zoho Office) that gave that same type app as part of more important stuff you were already paying for. Why pay extra for Evernote when OneNote comes with your Office subscription?
So, they were forced to try and monetize something everyone else gave away with stuff you needed.
Ultimately, note taking doesn't...

Spacewizard! (Ed H)

@liaizon holy shit

@mph I got out just in time (shut down last month)

ikkeT (en) :fedora: :redhat:

I imported evernotes to #Joplin years ago. Worked fine. joplinapp.org/

Alan Martello

@liaizon @lisamelton Free tool to import exported Evernote Notebooks to OneNote - you have to do one at a time. tools.stefankueng.com/Evernote

If you used Evernote just for web clipping, check out Zotero - open source and free. Ignore the citation stuff and look at what a great job it does saving off-line versions of websites + allowing you to tag / organize them. zotero.org/

Fonant

@liaizon Joplin is a good alternative.

Tim Chaten

@liaizon @MikeTRose Ouch - glad I exported that data into DEVONthink a long time ago on the Mac using the export tool they built

So many dynamos

@liaizon I had to look up how to do an export of my stuff. I have 12893 notes in 44 notebooks. help.evernote.com/hc/en-us/art #evernote

Jim

@liaizon I guarantee they're going to outsource to code farms. Guarantee it.

Joris Meys

@liaizon ow shite. Thanks for the heads up, any tips on where to move everything to?

MaybeMyMonkeys

@liaizon grabbing market share and then trying to figure out how to monetize it is a lousy business model

Tasha

@liaizon

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nooooooooooooo

My whole life is on Evernote and has been for over 10 years uggggggg

Like I don’t have a plan B until right now $&@?!

ChefRaven

@liaizon I am one of the Evernote experts. They didn’t fire all of their employees. They are relocating their base of operations to Europe. An Italian tech company bought out Evernote at the beginning of the year. They are moving their operations over there.

Rimu

@liaizon ugh I have 10 years of content in there and evernote has no export function. This will be fun.

wakest ⁂

@rimu they don't have an export function?!

Rimu

@liaizon No. If you pay $21 / mo there is some sort of "Advanced PDF export" but I don't know if that's what I need.

So I just spent the last 2 hours copy and pasting into markdown files.

Not Donny Blaze

@liaizon Yikes, good thing I canceled Evernote a few days ago. Had been a Premium customer for over a decade.

Hawkmoon

@liaizon

Obsidian

Store things offline and sync what you want to.

gavcloud

@liaizon ooo it’s time for an obligatory #TiddlyWiki plug … I like knowing that the data is mine, the data is local, and the data is endlessly configurable

Warrick Wynne

@liaizon @anguinea I got out of EverNote last year after using it for years. It took a while to get things out properly; I used Notion, Obsidian and Joplin to get it done.

Joel Pomales

@liaizon glad to have migrated all of my notes to my #synology #nas. Note Station is pretty capable, and has apps for every platform and OS.

tipap

@liaizon Surprised this took so long. I moved my notes from there to another service long time ago, when they changed the UI on their Android app. From there on, their app wasn't usable any longer for me. And I was a paying member at that time.

Crows Labyrinth

@liaizon That is very worrying. Do you have tips on making a usable backup?

Teri Peterson

@liaizon @Peternimmo this is a disaster for me and I didn't even know about it....ayayay. things I did not anticipate doing today: researching alternatives!

Debbie G

@liaizon When Evernote raised their price to $70, I thought it was too much but I stayed. When they raised it to $125 effective with my next renewal, my response was a resounding "Not today, Satan." Not quite sure yet how I feel about Notion, but at least everything is backed up there while I decide whether to stay there or try something else.

MJ Lee

@liaizon

I am a long-term Evernote paying user, so I have a ton of notes. This thread has me a little panicked!

So between UpNote, Obsidian, and Joplin, which of these sync across iOS, iPadOs, MacOS and Windows? I also need reliability and full-text searching.

I appreciate the help from the fediverse. 😟
@ewen @hollerpots
@scrivenersmith
@mforester

samzy - he/xe/ve

@liaizon i have been trying to find a solution / local-file notes apps for legitimately so long that im appreciating the the replies. one of my biggest issues is how on computer the only way i can save a note is for it to be a .txt document, but then if i store that on my phone, there's no way to open it, and vice versa (all the note formats i could make on my phone aren't open-able on my laptop/computer) i've been trying to find a way to store notes where i could ideally have them on both

Edwinek 🌍

@liaizon
I moved to Obsidian a while ago, is great!

Anders Gulden Olstad

@liaizon I ditched EN when they started to become more of a service than an application. #DevonThink was my saviour

WesMason

@liaizon
Oof. I have been a long time user and have paid for a subscription for more than half of that time. Maybe I'll download the latest (not a store version) and just take my data offline. I can also export all my notebooks.

I have looked into a few alternatives, but nothing complete enough for me yet. Obsidian and Jopin just don't fit right for me yet.
@run_atalanta

SonofGroucho💙#FBPE🇺🇦

@liaizon Thanks for the heads up. This is very bad news: I’ve used Evernote since its inception.

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