@smallcircles @liaizon @h we need something, i know...

@smallcircles @liaizon @h

we need something, i know that much.

why carry seven different fediverse apps (and identities) around. that doesn't sound very decentralized.

today i had my first remote follow and it was glorious.

i have a deck describing an idea but after a long conversation with another person today i need to re-do sections of it.

Like 13 Jun 2023 at 8:19 | Wall-to-wall | Open on pleroma.payfrit.com

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Klampfradler 🎸🚴

@pinkyfloyd @helge @smallcircles @liaizon I say we need more people joining work on projects like #Vocata, that separate UI from content and allow using the same identity for as many different UIs as you want.

To make a viable tech demo, we need someone to help with implementation of a demo web client to drive things forward (it's very clear how to do it, but I cannot do all the work alone, someone who enjoys translating ideas into JavaScript is needed)

13 Jun 2023 at 8:30 | Open on floss.social

wakest ⁂ replied to Klampfradler

@Natureshadow @pinkyfloyd @helge @smallcircles reminded of what @lrhodes was recently talking about over here https://merveilles.town/@lrhodes/110531681973739369 and is quite similar to something I recently posting about (tagging @bengo cause they were in the discussion)

The more types of specific activities we make work in the fediverse the more flexible we need to make the interfaces we use to interact with these things. I think design mockups that are not trying to mimic existing platforms are the next step to take.

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13 Jun 2023 at 10:29 | Open on social.wake.st

Jesse Baer 🔥 replied to wakest

@liaizon @Natureshadow @pinkyfloyd @smallcircles @lrhodes @bengo I’m starting to be more aware of a fundamental philosophical tension here. On one hand, an idea that content is fungible. Text is text, images are images. A subscription is a follow is a friend. On the other: a humanism that bristles at this kind of decontextualization. Communities and relationships are about mutuality and shared context.

13 Jun 2023 at 12:46 | Open on mastodon.social

Jesse Baer 🔥 replied to Jesse Baer 🔥

@liaizon @Natureshadow @pinkyfloyd @smallcircles @lrhodes @bengo I don’t think it should be one or the other, but we have to keep aware of the tradeoffs. As we make things increasingly freeform on the sender and recipient side, we lose the sense of discrete communities with shared understandings.

13 Jun 2023 at 12:58 | Open on mastodon.social

Jesse Baer 🔥 replied to Jesse Baer 🔥

@liaizon @Natureshadow @pinkyfloyd @smallcircles @lrhodes @bengo I think all of the following come back in some way to this tension: UX roughness of Friendica groups or Lemmy/kbin posts on Mastodon timelines; people not understanding the point of character limits and seeing them as nuisances; chronic cultural collisions over race, gender, and US-centrism; heated debates over quotes, search, and Meta.

13 Jun 2023 at 13:11 | Open on mastodon.social

L. Rhodes replied to Jesse Baer 🔥

@misc @liaizon @Natureshadow @pinkyfloyd @smallcircles @bengo And context collapse is sorta built into the Fediverse, because we're all viewing posts from the context of our own servers. I know from the roadmap that Mastodon is exploring deprecating the Local timeline in favor of more flexible lists, but I actually think the Home–Local–Federatwd dichotomy s useful for emphasizes the plurality of contexts we're dealing with on the network.

13 Jun 2023 at 13:25 | Open on merveilles.town

Jon replied to L.

@lrhodes totally agree that the local timeline is valuable on many instances and important conceptually … but it’s not useful on an instance as big as mastodon.social. So if they deprecate it, if’d be another example of mainline masto deprioritizing needs of smaller instances @misc @liaizon @Natureshadow @pinkyfloyd @smallcircles @bengo

14 Jun 2023 at 17:26 | Open on indieweb.social

L. Rhodes replied to Jon

@jdp23 @liaizon @smallcircles Yup. And the hell of it is, I don't know if the devs would even see it that way. If they're interacting with the broader network primarily through .social, then they may not even see clearly how the needs of smaller instances differ. Their field of vision may be entirely filled by the idea that only proper function of an instance is to connect individuals to some grand unified network that is more conceptual than real.

14 Jun 2023 at 18:07 | Open on merveilles.town