@saramg I don't understand why "giving zero fucks" is a con. Makes you more stress resilient...

@saramg Confession: coming in cold I can maybe add a thing or two pretty quick but it takes me weeks to understand what is going on across the stack, I have no idea how people grok a codebase fast.

@saramg 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏

@saramg "Yes, your proposal is a mistake I was once a part of"

@saramg Do not cite the deep magic to me, product manager, I wrote the damned thing.

@saramg I think these days even late twenties know that the family stuff is bullshit :)

@saramg a senior engineer is someone who’s had the treasured stack that they’re experts in written off by the next generation, maybe twice.

@saramg I'm putting this on my CV

@saramg What are the cons? I don’t believe your list has real ones. LOL

@saramg

This is uncanny. Have we met?

Joking. But it's the truth. One day, senior systems programmer; the next day, unable to get a job that would pay for a child-minder for our little lad.

@saramg
All this reminds me of a friend of mine who was in his 50s when he left us last month. But that was exactly him: Knows everyone and everything and can tell you a story about it when he did that back in the day. Add a dash of BOFH, a little grin and you have him.

And yes, Fucks were never given! 😁

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@saramg lol.

@saramg I'm 60+ and the forty-somethings piss me off on the regular. 😆

@saramg how are those cons?

@saramg cons:
* Prone to starting technical explanations with "back in the dim dark ages"

@saramg
Pros:
- knows how to leave vi and emacs

Cons:
- writes her/his own build system for performance reasons.

@saramg It is the official Marine Corps policy to not give a fuck. Been there, done that. 🙃

@saramg I remember the day I truly became a senior software developer. Because it was the day I completely ran out of fucks to give.

@saramg are you subtooting me?

@saramg "we're all family here"
"ok so who's the uncle we're not inviting for thanksgiving ?"

@saramg recognizing the family talk from your employer is BS is not a con

@saramg The 'family' thing is so, so true.

@saramg
My dad, a software engineer in early 70s
Cons
If you mention something is hard, they tell you about that time they wrote a pseudo-windowed industrial control OS solo, having to manually copy code from books.

@saramg
Just imagine hiring one in their 70s.

@saramg zero fucks feels like a pro

@saramg wait til they hit their 60s. ;-)

@saramg @grumpygamer I only see pros here

@saramg correct, lol

@saramg absolutely zero fucks

@saramg ERR_E_NO_FUCKS

@saramg works for security engineers, network engineers, etc. I might have scared some people at my new job who were coming off aggressive and hostile, because there are literally *2* people I need to keep happy, and I give zero shits about the rest and their games, by sharing this in a chat.

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shit, I loved those sorts of teams when I was a Product Manager. give them a list prioritized, slide a pizza under the door every few hours, keep upper management from bothering them.

@saramg Mid-40s. Already there. 😂

@saramg I have all the cons down, but none of the pros... Oh well.

@saramg I feel seen.

@saramg I only see pros here ...

@saramg will probably know better than doing a big-bang rewrite instead of incremental refactor/rewrite.

Gives some F***s about professional pride & achievement, but seeks no family in an organisation that will discard them like an old dish-rag the second it suits their (budget-saving) purposes.