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wakest ⁂

Want to watch the #threadiverse growing by the hour?

@tao just set up @threadcount, which posts every hour the number of new people signing up to #Kbin and #Lemmy

post submitted to @kbinMeta on Kbin and @fediverse on Lemmy

19 comments
taladar

Is it possible to follow that from Lemmy or do you need an account on one of the micro-blogging fediverse sites?

wakest

you can look at the account on this side https://lemmy.ml/u/threadcount@botsin.space but I don't think you can even "follow" users on lemmy, but that is a good question and I am still getting my grip of how lemmy works, I never really used reddit so I don't know what the assumptions are

taladar

The whole reddit like part of the fediverse makes sense to me, what I am still confused by is how that part interacts with the microblogging part.

wakest ⁂

@taladar @wakest this is a reply from mastodon, as an example!

smallcircles (Humanity Now 🕊)

@liaizon @taladar @wakest

👋 Hi there. This is a reply from the #vidiverse

(Only joking 😜 .. just not much of a fan of giving each application type its on *-verse name)

wakest ⁂

@smallcircles I don't disagree that coming up with new names for things that could be described more easily would be the better option, but saying "lemmy and kbin" over and over doesn't roll off the tongue. And I also don't want to refer to it by "the reddit part of the fediverse"

there IS something distinct going on and we need a way to refer to it and other people have come up with Threadiverse quite organically.

smallcircles (Humanity Now 🕊)

@pinkyfloyd @liaizon

This morning I bumped into a toot or lemmy post (can't find it now) about someone saying we need a proxy UI that takes care of all your identities in the various apps. And that is well possible.

For these kinds of thoughts there's the #FediverseIdea initiative started by @helge and to found at #Codeberg at: codeberg.org/fediverse/fediver

Here one might drop off such ideas so that others can follow-up with more info and - who knows - start a project to realize it in practice.

@pinkyfloyd @liaizon

This morning I bumped into a toot or lemmy post (can't find it now) about someone saying we need a proxy UI that takes care of all your identities in the various apps. And that is well possible.

For these kinds of thoughts there's the #FediverseIdea initiative started by @helge and to found at #Codeberg at: codeberg.org/fediverse/fediver

Pinky Floyd
@smallcircles @liaizon @h

we need something, i know that much.

why carry seven different fediverse apps (and identities) around. that doesn't sound very decentralized.

today i had my first remote follow and it was glorious.

i have a deck describing an idea but after a long conversation with another person today i need to re-do sections of it.
@smallcircles @liaizon @h

we need something, i know that much.

why carry seven different fediverse apps (and identities) around. that doesn't sound very decentralized.
Klampfradler 🎸🚴

@pinkyfloyd @helge @smallcircles @liaizon I say we need more people joining work on projects like #Vocata, that separate UI from content and allow using the same identity for as many different UIs as you want.

To make a viable tech demo, we need someone to help with implementation of a demo web client to drive things forward (it's very clear how to do it, but I cannot do all the work alone, someone who enjoys translating ideas into JavaScript is needed)

wakest ⁂ replied to Klampfradler

@Natureshadow @pinkyfloyd @helge @smallcircles reminded of what @lrhodes was recently talking about over here merveilles.town/@lrhodes/11053 and is quite similar to something I recently posting about (tagging @bengo cause they were in the discussion)

The more types of specific activities we make work in the fediverse the more flexible we need to make the interfaces we use to interact with these things. I think design mockups that are not trying to mimic existing platforms are the next step to take.

@Natureshadow @pinkyfloyd @helge @smallcircles reminded of what @lrhodes was recently talking about over here merveilles.town/@lrhodes/11053 and is quite similar to something I recently posting about (tagging @bengo cause they were in the discussion)

The more types of specific activities we make work in the fediverse the more flexible we need to make the interfaces we use to interact with these things. I think design mockups that are not trying to mimic existing platforms are...

Jesse Baer 🔥 replied to wakest

@liaizon @Natureshadow @pinkyfloyd @smallcircles @lrhodes @bengo I’m starting to be more aware of a fundamental philosophical tension here. On one hand, an idea that content is fungible. Text is text, images are images. A subscription is a follow is a friend. On the other: a humanism that bristles at this kind of decontextualization. Communities and relationships are about mutuality and shared context.

Jesse Baer 🔥 replied to Jesse Baer 🔥

@liaizon @Natureshadow @pinkyfloyd @smallcircles @lrhodes @bengo I don’t think it should be one or the other, but we have to keep aware of the tradeoffs. As we make things increasingly freeform on the sender and recipient side, we lose the sense of discrete communities with shared understandings.

Jesse Baer 🔥 replied to Jesse Baer 🔥

@liaizon @Natureshadow @pinkyfloyd @smallcircles @lrhodes @bengo I think all of the following come back in some way to this tension: UX roughness of Friendica groups or Lemmy/kbin posts on Mastodon timelines; people not understanding the point of character limits and seeing them as nuisances; chronic cultural collisions over race, gender, and US-centrism; heated debates over quotes, search, and Meta.

L. Rhodes replied to Jesse Baer 🔥

@misc @liaizon @Natureshadow @pinkyfloyd @smallcircles @bengo And context collapse is sorta built into the Fediverse, because we're all viewing posts from the context of our own servers. I know from the roadmap that Mastodon is exploring deprecating the Local timeline in favor of more flexible lists, but I actually think the Home–Local–Federatwd dichotomy s useful for emphasizes the plurality of contexts we're dealing with on the network.

Jon replied to L.

@lrhodes totally agree that the local timeline is valuable on many instances and important conceptually … but it’s not useful on an instance as big as mastodon.social. So if they deprecate it, if’d be another example of mainline masto deprioritizing needs of smaller instances @misc @liaizon @Natureshadow @pinkyfloyd @smallcircles @bengo

L. Rhodes replied to Jon

@jdp23 @liaizon @smallcircles Yup. And the hell of it is, I don't know if the devs would even see it that way. If they're interacting with the broader network primarily through .social, then they may not even see clearly how the needs of smaller instances differ. Their field of vision may be entirely filled by the idea that only proper function of an instance is to connect individuals to some grand unified network that is more conceptual than real.

i.grok

@liaizon @tao FWIW, I'd love to see graphs like @mastodonusercount has (may be too early to get a usable graph yet)

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