Gregory's ServerYou asked for it, and it’s coming. Quote posts, search, and groups are on their way. In the meantime, check out the new onboarding experience launching today. https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2023/05/a-new-onboarding-experience-on-mastodon/
  Is there anywhere we can get more details on what's planned for each feature? For example, for MAS-48, will it be possible to retroactively pull a post from being QT'd if (for example) there's a pile-on effect? (Apart from deletion, I mean.) And, in general: more details than just "quote posts!"? I don't see how to track those details down; looking at mastodon/mastodon at github doesn't help.  U kiddin? so where is defederalization? I mean 95% of people will click first button ... :D LOL. Nice onboarding feature :D @Mastodon fantastic news! UX is critical to the long-term success of the #Fediverse. I appreciate you are taking these concerns seriously and moving swiftly to act. Hold on a moment... Perhaps they will at least improve the current filtering system, which is more geared towards content filtering (to prevent abuse) rather than enhancing content segmentation and elevating the reading experience. People People People The "the new onboarding experience launching today" signs you up on @Gargron So Gargron is driving new Mastodon users onto his specific instance This instance: mastodon.social The original server operated by the Mastodon gGmbH non-profit TOTAL USERS 1,088,616 MONTHLY ACTIVE USERS 212,475 SOFTWARE Mastodon LANGUAGE English TOTAL POSTS 54,800,874 LOCATION Germany SOFTWARE VERSION 4.1.2 @FinchHaven @Mastodon @Gargron Unfortunately there's been an extended period of high profile people making hay out of how complicated it is to select a server in articles in very widely circulated publications and have successfully used it to deter people from the platform. Maybe it's time to ignore self-appointed, high-profile Mastodon "influencers" if they can't manage how to learn something new and different Ya think? @FinchHaven @Mastodon @Gargron You sound angry and I haven't quite got a handle on who is grinding your gears. You go look at the commit logs and see who carries the Mastodon project. @Mastodon Someone basically read all my mastodon complaints for the last couple of months and acted on them. You guys are doing great! Thank you for the continuous improvements!!! @Mastodon I hope that the quote posts feature includes 1) the option to turn off quoting for all or select posts, and 2) the ability to remove a post from quote posts after it has been published.  @Mastodon very curious what "search" means exactly but i assume searching for a post @ridetheory I don't know if that was an exclamation or a description of your opinions on the matter. But I agree.   @BM_Bourguignon @Mastodon this has been discussed at length, while there has been abuse from it, studies from twitter showed that it didn't generate harassment, while it was definitely used for it, it was also very much used for useful and positive things. As of now it's easy enough to share a capture + link if one really intent to direct followers at someone, it's just not convenient to use. We need to know *how* these quote tweets will work, rather than if, to see if they encourage abuse. Are there any GitHub issues/PRs with more information on how the new features will work from an ActivityPub/Federation POV?  @GreatKingRat @Mastodon as long as users can opt out of disoverability and being quoted, this is fine it'd be nice if once users are onboarded to m.s, there was UI functionality to find smaller instances that cater to niche interests since it can be difficult to find communities once you're on m.s, maybe the new search will resolve that though @Mastodon Sounds mostly exciting, but I'm uneasy about quote posts. I'll see how this plays out, but I guess there's always Misskey is things go wrong! @EdanOsborne Quick question, why do you default all new users to mastodon.social? Isn’t that server oftentimes at capacity because it has grown so (too) much? You could have defaulted to a randomly picked open server, maybe even depending on uptimes and other factors.  @Mastodon does "quote post" mean that we can repost someone else's post adding our own comment, Twitter style? @Mastodon "You may be asking, how a default server option furthers decentralization" @Mastodon Personally, I'm pretty cool with the Mastodon developers deciding they'd rather develop a Twitter competitor/replacement than staying committed to the #Fediverse, but don't treat people like idiots, please.  @Mastodon Not a fan of the sign-up flow... But quote posts is long overdue, it’s the feature I miss most. Search I think will be a good thing overall too. "You asked for it, and it’s coming. Quote posts, search, and groups are on their way. In the meantime, check out the new onboarding experience launching today." Stupid features which will negatively affect #fedi culture implemented to make #twexodees happy. @CharismaticBatman Yeah, I think it's pretty solid at this point. I don't think I can think of any new features that would make it better. Yeah, pretty much only worse. That's what I'm dreading with these new changes. Hashtags > groups @CharismaticBatman Maybe I'm not too deep into the Fediverse just yet but as long as they don't change what is already there, like taking away hashtags, then I'm ok. I worry about Mastodon trying to appeal to those suffering from #StockholmSyndrome from #BirdSite. @CharismaticBatman But if the new features don’t wind up affecting your experience, then does it matter? Just playing a little devils advocate. As long as the core functionality doesn’t change, then I’m good. Tech adds features all the time but that doesn’t mean that I don’t have to use it.  @Mastodon I'm neutral on onboarding, but I think quote posts are very useful. There've been many times where I wish I could quote post something to add more context *and* share it with others. The feature itself isn't a source of toxicity - the people are. It's up to the community to not dogpile on others using the feature.
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 @Jonathanglick At least it would be better than putting a specific server (Especially one they manage) front and center. Like barely anyone will bother with selecting a different server themself, as lazyness exists. @andre_601 Kind of a moot point, because barely anyone will complete a quiz to join a network they barely understand. :) @Jonathanglick Then they honestly shouldn't be here tbh. Also, if they already have issues with a bloody quiz, then having to follow guys not in the same server would blow their minds.    @Mastodon No, I don't want carob. I want fucking CHOCOLATE  @Mastodon unlike many others responding here, I’m OK with the default onboarding of the official app going to the mastodon.social server. That’s an experience the Mastodon org can control and make work well. I haven’t seen any better suggestions and clearly the current setup is confusing. Round robin could potentially be worse: randomly ended one place or another, and with subtly different rules. I found filtering by interest bad too: many have broad interests. @Mastodon what would be nice if it was possible to create unique app download referrals (that an instance itself could use as links into e.g. the AppStore) that would then switch the default server to another one. That way instance admins could provide easy download links that would helpfully guide a user through signup to that particular server.
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@Mastodon I actually find this measured and reasonable, in content and form. I do understand the concerns re too much centralisation but it’s still possible to choose another server on the app. People who can’t be bothered will of course choose the default but they would do so anyway (or drop from the process). Also, why all this criticism about the corporate tone? Professional communication is important and key to grow the user base beyond the enthusiast gang.  @Mastodon I really disagree with the onboarding thing. It doesn't just hurt decentralization, it's also based in a partial lie ("your data is yours" but it's left behind if you try to migrate). @Mastodon if anything, i'd suggest a random server from a curated list (and not just importing the one from joinmastodon as i have seen at least two servers with extremely questionable administration listed there). But better wait until your data can really be migrated (even if servers can impose restrictions, like number/size of images etc).  @Mastodon Huh, well I guess I'll probably be nuking my account and bailing on all of this then. Enjoy the toxic Twitter experience replicated to the Fediverse. 🤷 @Mastodon I want to disable both quote posts and viewing of quote posts on my server. Same with search. How do I do this?   @Mastodon @Mastodon Quotes are a nice to have thing as you actually get to see context without clicking a link, but search is a huge deal for me. Right now, there's no way I can still easily find some of my own older posts to reference them later... so thanks for this!  @Mastodon Although I'm excited for the new features, I think defaulting registrations to mastodon.social is a terrible choice for the growth of the network. This will lead to people being centralised and the issues that come with it.
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@Mastodon ☝️ Quote posts and search: excellent and unavoidable improvements (or, rather, bug fixes). The default server option is really bad. There will be one giant server and all the rest. It's depressing how all federation attempts ultimately fail. @tiago@social.skewed.del @Mastodon it's too soon to declare a bad outcome. I think we can avoid what you fear. Time will tell.  #mastodonsocial should not be the first option and you fucking know it, so change it back please and don't hold the rest of us hostage to some IPO fever dream that will end up destroying the #fediverse. We want you to disengage from that fever dream RIGHT NOW and we want it way more than we want "quote posts," "search," "groups," etc. That is what we are asking for. @Mastodon I'm glad to know you are listening the users and thinking new features. I could understand that Mastodon becomes easier to use with the default Mastodon.social server, but in that case, I think is imperative to improve account migration and promote that function in order to distribute new users to another servers if they want to. @Mastodon Also, I hope that quoted posts arrive with privacy options and a disable option also. And I'm excited to know about the groups! :ablobcatnod: “Twitter is an absolute cesspool!” “Mastodon must be exactly the same as Twitter or it is unusable.”  @Mastodon@mastodon.social if only some other part of the fediverse already had some of these features :thinking_garbled:    @Mastodon Way to Centralize a Decentralised platform. But seems theres no convincing you otherwise. Board meetings at Mastodon must be like that meme with the sensible guy being thrown out the window. @Mastodon Just can agree with the many others: What a bad choice putting mastodon.social as default. Maybe a problem with the ego of the owner ("I have the biggest")? The exact opposite of decentralization. I can see dangers in that over time. The federated structure could get lost by inertia. An automatic prompt after (30 days?) would help. A more certain plan would be to have a dedicated onboarding server, with an expectation that users should find a permanent home after the introduction period. @Mastodon Nice! Now we need: * Proper image and video handling (https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/20255) @nafnlaus @Mastodon I was just thinking the same thing about threads and replies. Desperately needs fixed. On link: @IceCubesApp at least recognises Mastodon links so doesn’t open them in a browser unnecessarily. Definitely something to pick up on. Agreed also that post migration would be great. The main thing #BlueSky really has going for it is account portability. |
@Mastodon This just makes CounterSocial a lot more appealing, honestly.
I thought you wanted to build a better social media, but this path leads to "More of the Same."