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Yogthos

@mrjonno it all went all went wrong when Gorbachev decided to abandon communism and adapt western liberal policies. I personally lived through all that and saw the horrors of these policies with my own eyes.

This is also a good read on how USSR could've taken an alternative path similar to China instead doing shock privatization

noemamag.com/how-china-avoided

22 Mar 2023 at 18:34 | Open on mas.to
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mrjonno

@yogthos
I thought you were going to say Gorbachev. Taken a look at the article and doesn't wash at all.
Apparently Communists still talk in terms of GDP and 'Growth'? 😟
The very problem with neoliberalism.
Consider China's huge debt to be serviced - half of economic output. Consider that China became the world's sweatshop due to 'off-shoring' and with other Eastern economies who had investment pulled after '87 crash invested in their own.
Consider human rights and democracy...
I can go on...

22 Mar 2023 at 19:03 | Open on mastodon.social
mrjonno

@yogthos
I have a very good Polish friend who lived through communism and related corruption to recall queues for essentials and cultural repression as a Catholic nation.
I think we should learn from the past and not try to recreate the issues due to flawed ideology.
We can do better. We really are all in this together and hopefully progress together. Do you know the 'Doughnut'?
youtu.be/4ttKueHEUig

22 Mar 2023 at 19:36 | Open on mastodon.social
Yogthos

@mrjonno I literally grew up in USSR, but yes do tell me more about what my life there was really like πŸ€¦β€β™‚οΈ

What the west has accomplished is worse than USSR in every way imaginable.

Nobody is claiming that USSR war perfect, or that we can't do better. However, one has to be deplorably ignorant that USSR wasn't a net positive for the world.

And collapse of USSR was a tragedy for millions of people

academic.oup.com/cje/advance-a

@mrjonno I literally grew up in USSR, but yes do tell me more about what my life there was really like πŸ€¦β€β™‚οΈ

What the west has accomplished is worse than USSR in every way imaginable.

Nobody is claiming that USSR war perfect, or that we can't do better. However, one has to be deplorably ignorant that USSR wasn't a net positive for the world.

22 Mar 2023 at 20:15 | Open on mas.to
Yogthos

@mrjonno people constantly denouncing USSR would be a lot more credible if they had any workable alternatives to offer, instead all you do is help perpetuate the capitalist hell the west has imposed on the world.

22 Mar 2023 at 20:16 | Open on mas.to
mrjonno

@yogthos
I've tried to provide you with one.
I get that we have to work together and suggest Marx was a product of his comprehension when we should be working together to do far better in the light of the mistakes we have made and enlightenment that science has provided instead of advocating statism that hasn't worked.
I'll try again. Please watch and add #fossilfuels #pollution etc as a comprehension ignorant of communist ideology...
youtu.be/4ttKueHEUig

22 Mar 2023 at 21:11 | Open on mastodon.social
Yogthos

@mrjonno you have yet to state what your actual criticism of Marx or his analysis.

If you can't even articulate what you're trying to criticize then it's not reasonable to ask me to watch an hour and a half video from some random group.

22 Mar 2023 at 21:15 | Open on mas.to
mrjonno

@yogthos
I'm really sorry that you would describe @doughnuteconomics #science and #rational as 'random groups' when I am trying to be positive in the light of World destroying itself and our planet.
Fair question to ask for a Marx critique though.

22 Mar 2023 at 21:30 | Open on mastodon.social
mrjonno

@yogthos
Except it hasn't been. I absolutely get Marx and his concepts of socialism but they are of a time and flawed.
What do you think about #lgbtqia and gulags?
opendemocracy.net/en/odr/gay-l

22 Mar 2023 at 20:23 | Open on mastodon.social
Yogthos

@mrjonno every human society is flawed, that's the reality.

The claim that Marx is somehow out of time gets repeated often, yet if you actually read Marx then you'll see that his writings are very much relevant to our time and what's happening in the world today.

And I have no idea what gbtqia has to do with communism to be honest.

22 Mar 2023 at 20:29 | Open on mas.to
Yogthos

@mrjonno I must also assume that you're entirely unaware that GDR was a pioneer of many lgbtqia rights?

bostonreview.net/articles/gay-

22 Mar 2023 at 20:39 | Open on mas.to
Yogthos
mrjonno
Yogthos

@mrjonno you were trying to make an argument that human rights violations somehow stem from communism, yet the reality is that communist countries have some of the most progressive laws in the world

22 Mar 2023 at 21:29 | Open on mas.to
mrjonno replied to Yogthos

@yogthos
I'm interested to understand what you think progression is.

22 Mar 2023 at 21:32 | Open on mastodon.social
Yogthos replied to mrjonno

@mrjonno what Cuba and GDR accomplished, curious why you keep trying to make a nonsensical argument here

22 Mar 2023 at 21:37 | Open on mas.to
mrjonno replied to Yogthos

@yogthos
ΠΏΠΎΡ€ΠΊΠ° ΠΌΠ΅Ρ€Ρ‚Π²Ρ‹Ρ… лошадСй

22 Mar 2023 at 21:50 | Open on mastodon.social
mrjonno replied to Yogthos

@yogthos
Thing is. I get where you are coming from. The Russians who had it good to rely on a state to provide just as Americans relied on the 'dream' did/do so in ideological ignorance.
You seem to think #humanrights and #science nonsensical. I assume you dismiss Nikolai Kardashev as a great Russian too?
kardashev.fandom.com/wiki/Kard

22 Mar 2023 at 21:48 | Open on mastodon.social
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@yogthos @mrjonno btw which Korea leads the massacre/genocide count ? ;p

30 Mar 2023 at 0:05 | Open on chaos.social
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