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phil :eagles:

@Mastodon that salary isn't gonna help your designer search, that's less than what I got as a junior designer in 2016.
INVEST IN YOUR DESIGNERS.

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Eugen Rochko

@pbuck @Mastodon Salary range is based on Berlin data for the role.

Trolli Schmittlauch 🦥

@Gargron @pbuck My guess is that the salaries in the US are so much higher, because you need to pay a lot of the stuff yourself that's usually covered by the public or by social insurance in most European countries.

That of course does not help you when working remote from the US for companies abroad.

phil :eagles:

@schmittlauch @Gargron
I guess when your country actually has a social safety next you can live on a lot less! Man my country sucks

Thomas H Jones II

@pbuck @schmittlauch @Gargron

Worked on a gig for a federal customer a few years back. Agency's head was complaining that contractors were demanding more than he, as the agency's head made ...ignoring he had a government pension, lifetime government healthcare, government provided transport and housing – both during the time he was agency-head and after he retired. It was like, "dude: you realize how much all that costs a contractor to provide for themselves??? THAT'S why they demand so much."

Thomas H Jones II

@schmittlauch @Gargron @pbuck

Bingo. Health insurance for my wife and me is $12,000/year just in premiums. Add in deductibles and co-pays and a third of that salary is gone.

Factor in housing – which has gotten silly in a lot of places – and it's unlikely to be affordable for anyone in the US not doing it as a hobby. :(

David

@ferricoxide @schmittlauch @Gargron @pbuck Also keep in mind that in Europe you generally have more annual leave (20 days is legal minimum in the UK and Germany), mandatory sick leave, mandatory paid maternity leave, protections from being fired for no reason, etc.

Thomas H Jones II

@david @schmittlauch @Gargron @pbuck

Right, but the larger point on the various "that's a low compensation" posts is, if you're living in the US, you're unlikely to be able to *afford* to take on that low a pay-rate given the realities of life in the US.

Similar problems are run into by US-based employers seeking to expand their hiring-pools by offering 100% remote positions: unless they're paying higher-cost markets' rates, they aren't going to be able to attract talent from those markets.

M

@Gargron @pbuck @Mastodon I'm based in Berlin and the salary for the devops role is really low.

I suggest you take a look at levels.fyi and filter by location for more up to date salary data.

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