@Gargron Understandable choice. Still, I think it's...

Understandable choice.

Still, I think it's wrong.
Preventing users from something they want to do by technical means will not change the culture.

What you will get is exactly the behaviour that you had on Twitter: People just quote anyway and do it manually. The extra effort is certainly worth the benefit.

So, essentially you are only annoying the users with some extra effort without preventing anything.

Like 28 Apr 2022 at 5:51 | Wall-to-wall | Open on mastodon.social

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JanBittner

@umrath @Gargron By that logic Netflix should give you the option to download and share movies, because you can technically already do it now (legality aside for the moment). But it is not in their interest so they wont add a download button.

28 Apr 2022 at 6:33 | Open on digitalcourage.social

Thoralf Will 🇪🇺

@JanBittner @Gargron

Well, legality is a pretty strong reason.
Monetization as well.

So, this comparison is way off.

28 Apr 2022 at 6:35 | Open on mastodon.social

JanBittner

@umrath @Gargron Another example: Sure an iPhone user can Jailbreak their device, so that they have full access to the device. By your logic Apple should add a button to jailbreak the device. But they wont because it is not in their interest.

28 Apr 2022 at 6:42 | Open on digitalcourage.social

Thoralf Will 🇪🇺

@JanBittner @Gargron

Again: Not available to the vast majority of the users.
And again: comparing apples and oranges as the company has a very strong interest (money) to prevent this.

28 Apr 2022 at 6:44 | Open on mastodon.social

Thoralf Will 🇪🇺

@JanBittner @Gargron
Also there is the slight difference that 99,5 % of the Netflix users are probably not able to do what you described.

I would argue that 99,5 % of the Mastodon users are able to manually copy and paste a link and add a comment to do what is supposed to be prevented.

28 Apr 2022 at 6:39 | Open on mastodon.social

JanBittner

@umrath @Gargron That is a fair argument. I see that there is a difference.

29 Apr 2022 at 7:36 | Open on digitalcourage.social

fstiebeling

@umrath @Gargron And another deliberate choice that the number of stars and retoots are hidden I guess.

This might be another "feature" that stops Twitter people from making the switch.

28 Apr 2022 at 6:50 | Open on mastodon.social

Thoralf Will 🇪🇺

@fstiebeling @Gargron
Didn't know that. Thought it's a bug in my client.

Somehow feels like I'm treated like a child. Not cool.

28 Apr 2022 at 6:52 | Open on mastodon.social

Thoralf Will 🇪🇺

@fstiebeling @Gargron Makes me think: What's the point of having the stars then at all if I cannot even see the result?

28 Apr 2022 at 7:24 | Open on mastodon.social

herag

@umrath
But this difference is, Gargron doesn't have to encourage bad behavior by enabling it as a 'feature'. People can still do what they want, if they want, but he doesn't have to worry or think about it.
@Gargron

28 Oct 2022 at 20:15 | Open on dobbs.town