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Eugen Rochko

I've made a deliberate choice against a quoting feature because it inevitably adds toxicity to people's behaviours. You are tempted to quote when you should be replying, and so you speak at your audience instead of with the person you are talking to. It becomes performative. Even when doing it for "good" like ridiculing awful comments, you are giving awful comments more eyeballs that way. No quote toots. Thank's

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Roelf Renkema :nafo: :admin2:

@Gargron

We just can't boost this enough. We don't want Twatter. We want Mastodon. People that want QT have alternatives. Do not destroy Mastodon.

aminco

I read the reference to *performative* in @gargron 's comment in the context of #discourseanalysis (and in complete agreement, as I've also noticed this use of QT in structured practices in social platforms that intended to be incendiary). It seems a wish for performance, hopefully of a more benign kind, is also what drives the renewed interest in QT (in 2022). But benign or not, this is playing with fire. In that context, I think I can see gargron's point.

jbarros

@Gargron
While this (replies) isn't a quote, I'm not sure how it's different, given the issues you stated (how we address our audience and giving things eyeballs)

Shani N95 Komulainen

@Gargron Good points. I didn't realize how quote tweets created this sort of toxicity until I came here.

Deekshith Allamaneni

@Gargron How does quoting posts add more toxicity than comments? Any statistics or research on it? Seems to me like a personal opinion. It would've made sense for the instance admins to enable/disable but not implementing such a crucial feature is disappointing.

I like quoting posts sometimes to provide additional context or reasoning as to why I am boosting it but that's missing here.

Recently tried #MissKey and liked that it has this feature.

Matt Cloy

@Gargron - what do you think about the possibility of a chrome plugin that does this anyway, even if you don't add it to the mastodon source - twitter already has 100s of them for various uses and mastodon has exploded to the point where it seems inevitable someone would write one.

Paul Dyson

@Gargron I always liked quoting as a way to intro people who follow me to something that has a particular rather than generic interest. E.g. this isn’t just an interesting post on coding but one from a not-so-well-known author I know has some particularly relevant experience.

Is that performative? I suppose I think it’s a way of adding a little value above just passing the post on.

Not a big deal and you obviously have thought carefully about it but I don’t think it “inevitably adds toxicity”.

doctorlaura

@Gargron I literally just replied with practically the same argument to someone else. What’s wrong with boost and reply? It’s one extra tap. One. Unless the goal is to make it all about you. Oh wait…

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@Gargron I didn't understood why there weren't quote toots in mastodon but this is actually a good reason! 👍

Dogzilla

@Gargron That feature is what makes Twitter toxic, in my opinion

The Cadence Collective

@Gargron and because you have made this deliberately impossible, others find ways around you. congratulations.

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