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💜 Dr. Blight ❤️

@lapis Hell I still have a small brother printer sitting on my network thats many years old at this point. These days when I installed a new os its usually just -there- and ready to print with the drivers already loaded. Especially when I've installed linux.

9 Sep 2022 at 18:24 | Wall-to-wall | Open on raru.re
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Iron Pencil Statue :lapis:

@Rasp okay. historical fantasy.

Home Printers of the last 20 years just seem to complain and break and not print, I don't think that's dependent on OS unless you screw with the printer itself

9 Sep 2022 at 18:40 | Open on elekk.xyz
Harp :wigglytuff:

@lapis @Rasp yeah the new modern printers often have no or minimal Linux support, along with intentionally anti-customer features like locking down if they detect you're using a cartridge not from the manufacturer directly (whether it be ink or toner) or if they need a driver update. The blessing of older printers working may be mostly because brother has simply stopped caring to support those models at all lol, and that the onboard basic drivers are enough to do all you need. For more complex operations that's not just one-sided black-and-white in-single-size, the type of support that drivers can give Linux machines especially often take a very steep nose dive (much less if it's a combination machine of printer, fax, document scanner etc). Individual models may sometimes end up okay, but yeah... It sounds like you got lucky there, and the luck is far from universal lol

@lapis @Rasp yeah the new modern printers often have no or minimal Linux support, along with intentionally anti-customer features like locking down if they detect you're using a cartridge not from the manufacturer directly (whether it be ink or toner) or if they need a driver update. The blessing of older printers working may be mostly because brother has simply stopped caring to support those models at all lol, and that the onboard basic drivers are enough to do all you need. For more complex operations...

9 Sep 2022 at 19:15 | Open on elekk.xyz
💜 Dr. Blight ❤️
Harp :wigglytuff:

@Rasp @lapis given the increasing "internet of things" mentality... Yeah.

There's likely more stability in business and industrial models - like the behemoths you'll spot in college libraries, which are there to be workhorses driven long and driven hard. However home models are trending towards being more inconvenient and more about, well, delivering one user experience and that's about it. If you're someone who can immediately have everything work out when the Wi-Fi-only printer meets your network, and then the driver integration is similarly flawless, and all you really need is basic printing services... Then the one-size-fits-all model works. Any deviation from that - wanting a wired only connection to even just set up the printer, needing more complex types of printing which will demand that driver being up to snuff, having a computer that is somehow different to what is expected in some various specification including iOS - then it's a complete crapshoot and a whole lot of people lose.

Honestly you should be proud of your amazing luck there with having a reliable older model (that has not yet succumbed to planned obsolescence) that does what you need and has drivers that immediately work with your Linux setup. It is known that even in the best of times, Linux/Unix/etc is drivers hell. It's often eventually workable, if you have a computer science degree and know how to patch together your own fixes (and have the luxury of affording the time to spend troubleshooting this and finding the fix). Sometimes the solution is relatively easy and starts with "open W.I.N.E.", sometimes the solution is "there is no solution, have fun". And that's honestly often for fairly basic printing needs half the time; the more complex the job, the more that support sharply drops off from both official drivers and people problem-solving in online communities.

Basically you've led a very charmed life in that respect lol, because even though brother printers are ones I generally prefer and have the least amount of problems with, well, the problems still very much exist and are incredibly widespread as to become a cultural touchstone level joke (as illustrated in the comic that lapis shared). Thank the universe for your good fortune and know that you don't need to be skeptical about it because this indeed does exist lol.

@Rasp @lapis given the increasing "internet of things" mentality... Yeah.

There's likely more stability in business and industrial models - like the behemoths you'll spot in college libraries, which are there to be workhorses driven long and driven hard. However home models are trending towards being more inconvenient and more about, well, delivering one user experience and that's about it. If you're someone who can immediately have everything work out when the Wi-Fi-only printer meets your network,...

9 Sep 2022 at 19:29 | Open on elekk.xyz
Harp :wigglytuff:

@Rasp @lapis ofc I say that but from what I remember of my mom's complaints from her career doing digital typesetting and graphic design while I was growing up, as well as things like the printer being finicky at a high school summer job... This isn't really a new problem. Part of it is just endemic problems to the format. You need a lot of small gears and such, plus either high heat or ink that is going through very small nozzles that are easy to clog, etc etc. Same sort of pattern has happened to sewing machines, really. Plastic as a material has its limits, and other materials are often much more expensive, plus the designs need to do more and more mechanically as more features are added. Affordable, solid construction that is not meant to fail or wear out, or fully featured: pick any two, because all three is impossible.

Given the problems I also remember my mother having with things like "the urgent update for the driver is released for Macintosh first and windows will get it in a few weeks", back when Macs were absolutely preferred for graphics design work... Well, it's likely been even worse for Linux historically.

That's why it's become an established cultural joke of how printers will give up on you at the most inconvenient time possible and are generally ornery bastards. Only gets worse when the printer isn't just a printer but also a copier, fax, etc... Roll the relevant movie clip lol youtu.be/_KinUMIS3Yc

Basically, I congratulate you on your extraordinarily good luck, but do not doubt that things like the comic lapis posted arise from genuine problems that other people have even if you might not lol

@Rasp @lapis ofc I say that but from what I remember of my mom's complaints from her career doing digital typesetting and graphic design while I was growing up, as well as things like the printer being finicky at a high school summer job... This isn't really a new problem. Part of it is just endemic problems to the format. You need a lot of small gears and such, plus either high heat or ink that is going through very small nozzles that are easy to clog, etc etc. Same sort of pattern has happened...

9 Sep 2022 at 19:53 | Open on elekk.xyz
💜 Dr. Blight ❤️

@wigglytuffitout @lapis

Like its also not an inkjet printer is a laser printer and most of the parts that are likely to wear out quickly are built into the massive toner cartridges by design specifically to avoid the kind of problems you get with an inkjet printer.

10 Sep 2022 at 1:13 | Open on raru.re
Harp :wigglytuff:

@Rasp @lapis are you wanting to have a conversation, or are you wanting to just hear how you are clearly so correct everyone else's experience and knowledge mean nothing?

Alternatively, if you are replacing all parts affected by wear and tear (and planned obsolescence), I can tell you why your printers are working so well: that's not a new toner cartridge, it's a whole printer. So every single gear within gets replaced. Because yes, I am aware of how printers work. Toner does not absolve the need for things like feeding paper through.

@Rasp @lapis are you wanting to have a conversation, or are you wanting to just hear how you are clearly so correct everyone else's experience and knowledge mean nothing?

Alternatively, if you are replacing all parts affected by wear and tear (and planned obsolescence), I can tell you why your printers are working so well: that's not a new toner cartridge, it's a whole printer. So every single gear within gets replaced. Because yes, I am aware of how printers work. Toner does not absolve the need...

10 Sep 2022 at 2:13 | Open on elekk.xyz
Harp :wigglytuff: replied to Harp

@Rasp @lapis Really, though, this is honestly just you being a bore to a near-terminal degree.

Do you always try to disprove someone telling a joke? Do you think common complaints are unworthy of discussion because they have not personally happened to you?

What's next, someone complains about all the Thanksgiving meal leftovers they have to eat while sharing a funny meme about all the ways to repackage turkey into other meals, and you're going to leap in to explain to everyone that they're wrong because that has never happened to you (because you prefer ham and do that instead of a turkey)? If someone jokes about the rough traffic on their commute, do you crash in to declare NO THAT DOESNT HAPPEN AND I KNOW THIS BECAUSE MY COMMUTE IN A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PLACE ENTIRELY WAS FINE AND ALSO I WORK FROM HOME SO MY COMMUTE WAS FROM BED TO COUCH THEREFORE YOU ARE LYING ABOUT TRAFFIC BEING AN ISSUE?

Some people are not you. Please, I beg of you, do not decide to be a twit of the highest order and make it everyone else's problem when they are not you.

Or else the next time I post about my shoulder hurting due to my disability, I will expect you to come along to say 'well akshuallyyyyyy my shoulder doesn't hurt therefore yours does not so stfu and no making jokes, how dare you not be me, you're clearly invalid if you're not meeeee because the only one that matters is meeeeeeeeee and anyone trying to live their own life needs to be REMINDED that I AM THE MAIN CHARACTER AND ONLY ONE THAT CAN SPEAK'

Or at least, if you do that, just post this handy shorthand: "I am a complete fuckhead. Please block me."

Seriously. This thing that you're doing? It's not cute. It's not cool. I will paypal you money to buy a ladder and get over yourself if it will help you to not needle people for the grave sin of posting jokes for an audience other than you when they don't know you from Adam and are posting on their personal social media.

If you find this impossible then I invite you to wank off into the sunset.

@Rasp @lapis Really, though, this is honestly just you being a bore to a near-terminal degree.

Do you always try to disprove someone telling a joke? Do you think common complaints are unworthy of discussion because they have not personally happened to you?

What's next, someone complains about all the Thanksgiving meal leftovers they have to eat while sharing a funny meme about all the ways to repackage turkey into other meals, and you're going to leap in to explain to everyone that they're wrong...

10 Sep 2022 at 2:22 | Open on elekk.xyz
💜 Dr. Blight ❤️ replied to Harp

@wigglytuffitout @lapis Not all parts prone to failures are "planned obsolescence" delicate mechanisms prone to wear are sometimes necessary. I'd rather have user replaceable parts than a black box I need to buy a whole new one when any one component fails on me.

10 Sep 2022 at 2:22 | Open on raru.re
Harp :wigglytuff: replied to 💜 Dr. Blight ❤️

@Rasp @lapis Yes dear, as I mentioned, sewing machines are following much the same trend and this is correlated strongly to additional features. It's why I wrote about how your jammy luck may be connected strongly to the relatively low technical demands the printers had to meet.

If you want to actually read any of what I wrote instead of just deciding that you are the main character and everyone else needs to be proven wrong.

Or wank off into the sunset. Your choice.

10 Sep 2022 at 2:25 | Open on elekk.xyz
Harp :wigglytuff: replied to Harp

@Rasp @lapis or maybe just, you know. Think about how many modern consumer printers are NOT built to make replaceable parts easily available and easy to fix. Which is the problem.

I will take you just thinking about what you are saying even if you decide to ignore me, at this point.

10 Sep 2022 at 2:26 | Open on elekk.xyz
💜 Dr. Blight ❤️ replied to Harp

@wigglytuffitout @lapis oh I know and it sucks. but thats why if I was going into the market for one that's one thing I'd look for.

10 Sep 2022 at 2:27 | Open on raru.re
Harp :wigglytuff: replied to 💜 Dr. Blight ❤️

@Rasp @lapis So you admit that this is a common and endemic problem, which is just one reason why many people have trouble with their printers...

...but you still think you needed to show up and refute a funny little joke about how people have trouble with printers because you don't think this happens?

...

Again, I am begging you. If you can spend just a few seconds thinking about what you are saying, instead of deciding to piss in someone else's cheerios, we will all be very. Very. Very. Fucking. Grateful. That you have decided to not make yourself a burden and problem for everyone else.

If you cannot do this, you should be on the internet with strict supervision, as you need guidance in not being an asshole. The internet is already too full of horrid, slimy boors who think that things which have never personally happened to them do not exist, and therefore they have the right to make people's lives harder about it. Stop contributing to that number.

@Rasp @lapis So you admit that this is a common and endemic problem, which is just one reason why many people have trouble with their printers...

...but you still think you needed to show up and refute a funny little joke about how people have trouble with printers because you don't think this happens?

10 Sep 2022 at 2:31 | Open on elekk.xyz
💜 Dr. Blight ❤️ replied to Harp

@wigglytuffitout @lapis

...I'm not trying to do any of that? I'm not even disagreeing with the joke I'm just talking about some different experiences I've also had that were less negative?

I never refuted the problem or the joke? I'm not sure where you got that.

10 Sep 2022 at 2:33 | Open on raru.re
💜 Dr. Blight ❤️ replied to 💜 Dr. Blight ❤️

@wigglytuffitout @lapis

All I've done is talk about my laser printer that I really like and some better experiences of the old days before things went to hell. (okay they still sucked but not quite this bad)

I'm not sure where you're getting the rest of this stuff from?

10 Sep 2022 at 2:37 | Open on raru.re
Harp :wigglytuff: replied to 💜 Dr. Blight ❤️

@Rasp @lapis Ah, I appreciate how now you are admitting printers have always sucked instead of saying "well they were always fine for me! By the way, I think you need to know about this while posting a joke for people who aren't me. Because it should be about my experiences actually. Let me tell you why this joke is wrong, at length."

A pity you're only getting here now. You could've just remembered this when you saw the original meme and had a little laugh instead of deciding to become a problem ensconced in lapis's mentions.

@Rasp @lapis Ah, I appreciate how now you are admitting printers have always sucked instead of saying "well they were always fine for me! By the way, I think you need to know about this while posting a joke for people who aren't me. Because it should be about my experiences actually. Let me tell you why this joke is wrong, at length."

10 Sep 2022 at 2:39 | Open on elekk.xyz
Harp :wigglytuff: replied to 💜 Dr. Blight ❤️

@Rasp @lapis But that is exactly what you have been doing this entire time. By replying to a stranger sharing a joke with a list of why you do not think the topic of the joke really exists. Since it doesn't happen to you.

You do not get to this conversation point without looking at this joke and leaping in with the motive of DOESNT HAPPEN TO MEEEE SO LEMME TELL YOU HOW YOURE WWWRRROOOONNNNGGG. That is the content of your posts and reason for posting them. That is what you're doing.

I am begging you. Pleading with you. Offering goats as sacrifice under the full moon in aid of you.

To think about what the fuck you are doing in social interactions.

Though thank you for apparently FINALLY reading something I wrote. Good job. Gold star. There are fifteen more gold stars if you wank off into the sunset to have a think about how not every conversation is for you specifically and must adhere to your life circumstances or else you will come argue about it.

@Rasp @lapis But that is exactly what you have been doing this entire time. By replying to a stranger sharing a joke with a list of why you do not think the topic of the joke really exists. Since it doesn't happen to you.

You do not get to this conversation point without looking at this joke and leaping in with the motive of DOESNT HAPPEN TO MEEEE SO LEMME TELL YOU HOW YOURE WWWRRROOOONNNNGGG. That is the content of your posts and reason for posting them. That is what you're doing.

10 Sep 2022 at 2:37 | Open on elekk.xyz
💜 Dr. Blight ❤️ replied to Harp

@wigglytuffitout @lapis

It happened to me plenty back when I worked in IT and I never denied it happening to anyone else?

10 Sep 2022 at 2:38 | Open on raru.re
💜 Dr. Blight ❤️ replied to 💜 Dr. Blight ❤️

@wigglytuffitout @lapis

I never said the joke was wrong the joke is dead on. I thought it was funny why I boosted it in the first place?

10 Sep 2022 at 2:40 | Open on raru.re
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