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wakest ⁂

ok another tangent I have been thinking about: sustainable artist made and run art supplies. I have been drawing my whole life. I mostly use art supplies that I find in the trash or free boxes or people give me cause I am not too picky but I love a nice pen. I hate buying art supplies mainly because I know how many of then there are in the world going to waste. drying out in drawers and boxes in peoples attics etc. I want to make reusable permanent markers that are meant to be refilled

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wakest ⁂

I want them to use natural dyes and have the tips be made of something meant to last and maybe of natural materials or at least from a waste stream from something else.

wakest ⁂

the first example that comes to mind is Krink, a tagging marker company started by a famous tagger in NYC. The markers are nice but also over priced and not meant to be refilled. so this only checks off one of my boxes.

wakest ⁂

I would also like them to be made of something sturdy that feels nice to hold. maybe used copper tubing like from hot water pipes in US bathrooms (they use the really skinny stuff in older houses there and it ends up getting ripped out and throw away alot)

wakest ⁂

random internet image of the type of pipe I am thinking about. maybe the pipes are too thick tho. only good for realllly fat tip marker

rag. Gustavino Bevilacqua

@liaizon

The most difficult part is the tip.
Once you have found something good for it it's pretty straightforward to make a container for the ink.

wakest ⁂

@GustavinoBevilacqua my ideal marker is openable from both ends and uses some standard screw dimensions so changing the tip is as simple as unscrewing them. maybe a nut on each end so as something to help unscrew them when they get all dried with sticky ink

vince

@liaizon Montana makes refillables, I think there are industrial companies that make other refillable markers - I know some of the graff ones are a little squishier so you can force a high volume of ink through the felt. Have you come across the enamel pens that you can pressurize by pushing on a little plastic bulb on the end?

wakest ⁂

@vince no I haven't seen those. Lets make some cool markers at my studio when I am back!

yr

@liaizon krink markers are refillable, and you can replace the nibs. not sure if they sell nibs directly but here's a third party artprimo.com/catalog/krink-nib

wakest ⁂

@_ oh interesting have you ever refilled them? I guess most markers that have replaceable tips could be refilled if you had the right tools

wakest ⁂

@_ interesting the website you shared has a bunch of standards of markers I had never seen its cool to see that written. I wanna learn more around marker standards! who are the marker geeks? send them my way lol

yr

@liaizon they don't post online they post on walls lol

wakest ⁂

@_ when will walls support activitypub I wanna federate

yr

@liaizon yes, large art markers are mostly made to be refilled, but even sealed markers like a sharpie or crayola can be refilled by injecting ink with a needle.

wakest ⁂

@_ maybe the issue I am getting at then is just more knowledge about how to reuse already existing old markers instead of throwing them away

Joe Mama

@liaizon youre not supposed to refill krink markers?? I thought that was half the point of getting them.

wakest ⁂

@joemama I was corrected in my assumption in the thread already. I guess I just didn't know.

wakest ⁂

@joemama I think I want a marker thats easier to refill and doesn't need any special extra tools

MEMEXIKON

@liaizon we used to make inks from black walnut hulls, false indigo, onion skins. The black walnut ink is fairly permanent.

wakest ⁂

@memexikon yeah I remember painting with the black walnut ink as a kid!

MEMEXIKON

@liaizon there is still a few plants in the forest garden but it is pretty common in the area.

wakest ⁂

@memexikon did you ever try to make dye from it? I don't remember anyone actually making any from indigo at dtv

MEMEXIKON

@liaizon yes it was used for some cloth dying projects. not sure it was ever used for printing ink. I was just trying to find a copy of the little vispo chaplet we printed using black walnut, but I couldn't find it. I think there's only one copy remaining.

MEMEXIKON

@liaizon we collected flat things that could print an impression

wakest ⁂ replied to MEMEXIKON

@memexikon what book was this? do you remember the name?

MEMEXIKON replied to wakest

@liaizon I'm blanking on it though I can picture it in my mind :)

l̸̹̍̀a̸̜͋̐͜k̴̼͗̽͆̈́ḛ̵͗̈́ͅ

@liaizon calligraphy pens are great for this... Metal nibs that don’t wear down + you can get a cartridge converter that can be refilled with most types of inks.

downsides: + they dry out and need cleaning. + you cant tag buildings w a calligraphy pen.

source: i have 2 lamy safaris and they are real nice

wakest ⁂

@lake you have one of those wide ones? I almost bought one but then it was like 18€

l̸̹̍̀a̸̜͋̐͜k̴̼͗̽͆̈́ḛ̵͗̈́ͅ

@liaizon I have fine and extra fine nibs haha. but I think you can swap out the nibs to be diff sizes.

wakest ⁂

@lake we should make some out of a tin can and see if it works

l̸̹̍̀a̸̜͋̐͜k̴̼͗̽͆̈́ḛ̵͗̈́ͅ

@liaizon I have done a decent amt of experimenting trying to simply get dip pen nibs to work in calligraphy pens but it is quite difficult. tin can maybe too high difficulty level…

l̸̹̍̀a̸̜͋̐͜k̴̼͗̽͆̈́ḛ̵͗̈́ͅ

@liaizon im having flashbacks to when I burned my fingers in early quarantine attempting my tiny metalsmithing operation

wakest ⁂

@lake that sounds fun lets melt some some aluminum

Dante Scanline

@liaizon i really like mops over any chisel tip type markers for tagging, and they all just have a screw top to dump in ink. but they guzzle it like crazy and are only really appropriate for that certain style

wakest ⁂

@dantescanline I am unfamiliar with the term mops in reference to markers. This thread has made me realize I don't actually know much about marker tech yet even tho I have been a marker fan all my life

Dante Scanline

@liaizon its because i changed it to be about tagging stuff and not just art supplies because i am a little drunk youtu.be/IMwcV0o2gxM

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