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Stuart Celarier

Pro tip: clean YouTube links. When you get a link from YT, it includes an ID to track YOU. It is a "query string" on the end of the URL like this:

...?si=[tracker_ID_here]

This ID allows YouTube (and their owner, Google, and *their* owner, Alphabet, and ALL of their associates) to track the people who click on the link, and the apps they used, back to you, building a network of none-of-their-business.

Good news: DELETE the "?si=..." part and the link works just fine without the tracking.

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Tuckers Nuts Resist😈!

@VisualStuart
🥥 And after you delete the spy part of the YouTube link, watch YouTube videos in the DuckDuckGo app or browser to eliminate ads and tracking during playback. 🥥
#YouTube #Enshittification #RotEconomy #LuigiMangione #DuckDuckGo #TormentMachine #TuckersBalls

Spud_Coolzip

@jstatepost @VisualStuart Firefox offers the option of "copy link without site tracking" when right-clicking to copy a link. It's grayed out when the link is tracker-free. I haven't looked, but there are probably add-ons which do this automatically for some browsers.

Amin Hollon 🏳

@Spud_Coolzip @jstatepost @VisualStuart

Kinda surprised copying without tracker parameters isn't just the default

Excessive Minimalism

@amin @Spud_Coolzip @jstatepost @VisualStuart
Not that surprising though, when 99% of the browsers are basically owned by the guys that put the tracker in the first place, and when the 1% remaining is barely alive because of a huge money injection by the 99%er.
Maybe if we ask nicely?

Dane FREE PALESTINE

@jstatepost @VisualStuart If I may, I'd like to recommend the FreeTube app for desktop. It's cross platform, no tracking, and no ads. It gets ⭐ ⭐ ⭐ ⭐ from me.

freetubeapp.io

Hazmeister

@VisualStuart also, shout out to youtube-nocookie.com run by Google themselves. Has no front page, but can view videos without cookies. Edit: todon.nl/@fedor/11366672315799

Adam R. Wood

@VisualStuart I use Waterfox as my browser, and when I right-click a link the menu that pops up has the "Copy Link Without Site Tracking" option which does that automatically. Very convenient for someone like myself that copies links to here and/or Discord a lot.

dwenius

@VisualStuart Not just YouTube! That ? in a URL almost universally means “the rest of this is not essential”. You may need it for, say, keeping your browser aware that your shopping cart has 4 items in it, or for TicketBastard to know you are 8,762nd in the queue, but if you are sending a link to a friend as a gift idea in the middle of browsing? They don’t need any of that stuff. The ? signals the start of the spyware, on YT, Amazon, EBay, most e-commerce sites, you name it.

Stuart Celarier

@dwenius This is perhaps a *little* overstated. I'm a retired software architect here, so believe me there are many good and unharmful uses for query strings, so let's not go overboard. But you're quite right that in many cases they are not absolutely necessary for a given site or page.

To test what is needed and what is not, I will often paste a URL into the Address bar of the browser, try removing a chunk of a suspicious query string, hit Enter and see if it takes me where I want to be.

Servelan

@VisualStuart @dwenius A significant number of such strings involve the source of the link, though, and if I clicked on a link from my private e-mail I'd want to take out everything after and including the ?.

Large Format Projectionist

@VisualStuart
Do we know for sure that the unique identifier is unique only to the video? I know they have a yuuuge library but there’s a lot of entropy in that ID. I’ve always wondered if they generate a unique id for every referrer in addition to the obvious tracking stuff.

Stuart Celarier

@Benhm3 Well, you could Google it. That and the following caveat:

"Don't believe everything you read on the Internet."
--Abraham Lincoln

Large Format Projectionist

@VisualStuart

Use Kagi, not that other one. $5-10 per month. Worth every penny.

And they show the same thing you've said.

Kirsty

@Benhm3 @VisualStuart I thought it was Winston Churchill that said that 🤔🤔

George Dinwiddie

@VisualStuart Or you can put random garbage in the tracker_ID just to mess with them.

Stuart Celarier

@gdinwiddie We must have common ancestors somewhere back in time.

George Dinwiddie

@VisualStuart
Once upon a time I used a custom User-Agent request header saying I was running Internet Explorer on CP/M. 😜

Johannes Hentschel

@gdinwiddie
That's hilarious! We should be flooding them with shit like this.
@VisualStuart

crypticcelery 🔜 38C3

@gdinwiddie
I suggest putting in a random string of emojis, or, to mess with someone, some classics like “[object Object]”, “undefined”, or just an empty string.

@VisualStuart

George Dinwiddie

@crypticcelery @VisualStuart
Good idea! Using "(Null)" should give them a few hours entertainment looking for the bug.

Oli

@gdinwiddie
Put garbage into the tracker-ID , i like that

deuts

@VisualStuart there has got to be a more seamless way of doing this without manually deleting it in the browser?

Stuart Celarier

@deuts I manually delete it when I paste in a Mastodon post.

Ángela Stella Matutina

@VisualStuart @deuts

ClearURLs extension for Firefox and Chrome.

Update: "Copy Clean Link Location" from the context menu does no longer work. Clicking thru does.

And while we're talking link cleanup, I find Don't Track Me Google useful too.

rickf

@VisualStuart I found it’s always a good practice to delete everything after the ? in a link…. especially those that I might share with others.

Magnus Ahltorp

@rickf @VisualStuart Doesn’t work with standard YouTube links though, since the video ID is after the ?, and you have to know enough about how links are constructed to know how to keep only the “v” part.

rickf

@ahltorp @VisualStuart

Ahh yeah…. I forgot. Sorry I’ve been pruning those links for so long. It’s automatic that I know where to look.

Btw at least on Firefox there are (or still should be) some extensions that will do the link pruning for you which is helpful when sharing them.

DB Schwein

@VisualStuart

This is also true of Facebook links. There's a short string that's important, but everything after the ? is unnecessary and presumably tracking.

Stuart Celarier

@maddad Collectively we are greater! Share something you know.

Fred Brooker

@VisualStuart better - change the SI to some other randomly harvested from the internet! 😂

Carolyn

@VisualStuart And it's really easy. You copy and paste the link, so you'll see that ?. Just delete the question mark and everything after.

Be_Outside

@CStamp @VisualStuart
Do I need a pro Youtube account? ..because this doesn't work.

Stuart Celarier

@Rural_Canadian @CStamp

Here's another branch on this thread where I provide an example with and without the query string.

pdx.social/@VisualStuart/11366

Federico :manjaro: :mac:

@VisualStuart with Waterfox i can copy a link without trackers

Dave Fenichel

@VisualStuart I generally don't follow YT links back to YT at all, by means of Privacy Frontends (Invidious etc) which are automatically intercepted/redirected from Snoopy's path in my browser, by means of the Libredirect extension that similarly stands in for privacy friendly Search (to SearxNG etc. instead of Goo or DDG), and other go-to service sites.

Forbearance

@nek @VisualStuart the problem is i joined the war on invidious on the side of invidious but i'm losing

Dave Fenichel

@VisualStuart The LibRedirect browser extension that I mentioned gives its users several choices of Privacy Frontends to use with YouTube: Invidious, Materialous, Piped (very popular), Piped-Material, PokeTube, CloudTube, LightTube, Tubo, FreeTube, Yattee, FreeTube PWA, ViewTube, and ytify. There are some handy indices of Frontends for YT and other web services, for example: awesome.ecosyste.ms/lists/jame

Bram Moreinis

@VisualStuart @BernieDoesIt do those shorter “sharable links” created when I click “share” embed my tracking code but with fewer letters?

Stuart Celarier

@the_turtle Let me clarify: this is using the Share (curved arrow) icon on the video page in the website or app, not copying the URL from your browser's Address bar. The latter is longer and can contain other additional information.

naturaldynamics

@VisualStuart can you just click the arrow and then copy link, and share that?

Stuart Celarier

@natureshelperokanaganhighlands Yes, and (if you are logged into YouTube on the website or using a mobile app) it will include the query string. It will work, and it will include tracking when people click on it.

naturaldynamics

@VisualStuart there is a short string, but you say it is actually that custom link that leads to my id, then?
How do I get around it then, just go to the address bar and copy the string, then delete everything after the ??

Stuart Celarier

@natureshelperokanaganhighlands Look for the Share button near the bottom of this screenshot.

Screenshot of a YouTube video page.
naturaldynamics

@VisualStuart that is what I do, click the arrow, go to link, hit copy...

Eli the Bearded

@VisualStuart

I think the "si" is for "share intent" but thinking of it as "spyware identifier" may be more apt.

Anti-Catipus :rainboweyes:

@VisualStuart pretty good addon that removes tracking information from a lot of sites: gitlab.com/ClearURLs/ClearUrls

Midnight

@VisualStuart@pdx.social IIRC Firefox has a "Copy Site Without Trackers" function, or maybe it's one of my handful of privacy plugins idk.

Nazo

@VisualStuart There are also browser extensions to automate this, but... I'm given to understand that things can see what extensions you have installed and use that as part of fingerprinting, so it seems its advised to have as few installed as possible, so in the end I guess it's best just to manually edit the URL yourself.

As a side note, some sites have extra stuff in URLs they don't need anyway, so it's a good habit to have. For example, Amazon has a product code after the /dp/ but then they toss in a bunch of plaintext from the product title which their site doesn't really use but which makes for a long, ugly URL. Not tracking, just messy.

@VisualStuart There are also browser extensions to automate this, but... I'm given to understand that things can see what extensions you have installed and use that as part of fingerprinting, so it seems its advised to have as few installed as possible, so in the end I guess it's best just to manually edit the URL yourself.

Victor

@VisualStuart Not only YT does this many other sites as well. Spies can't have enough. 😡

Gwyn

@VisualStuart

Thanks for the info! I thought that was playlist related or some such - good to know.

ThatKomputerKat :neocat_cool:

@VisualStuart @dgar I have tried and tried to no avail to get my sister to cut the tracking stuff out of links but she always just lazily dumps entire walls of tracking links into chat and it is so annoying. :neocat_scream_angry:

Ian Davis

@VisualStuart
In addition to YouTube chaff, I remove Amazon's parameters before saving bookmarks to items on their site - for the same reasons. Ditto any site that adds them really.

The Sleight Doctor 🃏

@VisualStuart There are a couple of add-ons for Firefox, called Chameleon and ClearURLs. The former spoofs your browser profile, the latter automatically strips links of tracking data.

Some might also appreciate the impish fuckery of Privacy Possum, which "monkey wrenches" (to use the developers' term!) commercial tracking methods by falsifying the data.

Luc Princen

@VisualStuart even better: just delete everything except the ?v= parameter 😎

Jennifer Morency :mastodon:

@VisualStuart Invidilink sometimes also works to convert a YT link to an Invidious link, although YT has been furiously blocking Invidious instances lately. invidi.link

Tats 🇬🇧🥧

@VisualStuart and the same for all links. You don't need anything after the ?

McTwist

@VisualStuart I remove the tracker for any url I use. Would love some automatic app/program that did it for me.

McTwist

@VisualStuart And there seem to be plenty, one which I use as of 5 minutes ago: github.com/svenjacobs/leon

just_chill

@VisualStuart
And for the lazy and forgetful ones, a firefox extension like "URL cleaner" works perfectly.

Lu 🇦🇲

@VisualStuart ReVanced is a really good modded YouTube app that does that for you among other things (including, speaking of links, a time-stamped links sharing button)

Workshopshed

@VisualStuart there used to be a no tracking variation of the URL but I couldn't find that.

Martin EA7KRC

@VisualStuart
Good tip that, not that I use YT much, too many ads, greed has lost a customer...

Tats 🇬🇧🥧

@VisualStuart also, as I discovered earlier, mastodon automatically strips the trackers, which also means it strips keys. 🤭
I had to do a workaround.

Reiddragon :ablobcatattention:
@VisualStuart btw, sometimes it's si, sometimes it's pp

The only two tags you shouod ever leave are watch= and list=, anything else just assume is some tracking bs
JW Prince of CPH, Radicalized

@VisualStuart In fact, delete everything that comes after /watch?v=[string of letters, numbers & maybe dashes]

How do you know when that string ends? Because it's ONLY letters, numbers & dashes; you start deleting as soon as you hit a question mark, ampersand or other special character.

The only time to not delete everything is if you've chosen to share including a time code. In that case you can remove ?feature=shared from the URL, that's also a data point (though not an identifier) 😊

GhostOnTheHalfShell

@VisualStuart

Indeed, I have been doing that the first time I ever noticed the tracking kept onto the URL the best way to pose a YouTube URL is to go to the search bar and pull out the URL for the video.
The sure button is not so good on mastodon often you can’t see the thumbnail, So best practice go to the search bar copy that paste it here

WylieCoyoteUK

@VisualStuart I just don't click on links to YouTube. Works even better.

ϙ

@VisualStuart

<< "si" typically refers to a parameter used in the URL for tracking purposes. YouTube URLs can contain various parameters that help track user interactions, such as views, shares, and other engagement metrics.

For example, a link might look like this:

youtube.com/watch?v=VIDEO_ID&s

In this case...

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ϙ

@VisualStuart

"si" could be used to identify a specific source or campaign that led to the video being viewed. The value associated with "si" can help content creators and marketers analyze the effectiveness of their promotional efforts. >>

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ϙ

@VisualStuart all this still doesn't include all the other trackers and queries not encompassed just by the 'si' acronym, nor speaks about shortened links: which are naught but nice looking boxes full of shit

MOULE ("Snow Way" out on Fri!)

@VisualStuart Also, I’ve found if you change the watch?v= to embed/ you can watch YouTube videos in full screen without ads, however not all videos will have embeds enabled.

Edvin Malinovskis

@VisualStuart this applies to Amazon listings and pretty much any other big tech links too

linus

@VisualStuart @torparskytt ClearURLs for Firefox: "This extension will automatically remove tracking elements from URLs to help protect your privacy when browsing through the Internet." addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firef -- if you want to verify that it's working, you can enable logging in the extension.

Robert Petersen 🇺🇸

@VisualStuart @D_J_Nathanson should do this for URLs generally.

99.9% of the time anything after a ‘?’ is unneeded when sharing a URL, and is just tracking and useless clutter.

Irish Abroad

@VisualStuart Firefox has an option now to copy a link without site tracking, that cuts all that stuff out, and I always use it

ferricoxide

@VisualStuart@pdx.social

Why I like sharing from Firefox: when you right-click a link, it offers a "Copy link without site-tracking" option in the menu that the right-click pops up.

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