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Mozilla has a "what should we focus on?" survey where you can encourage them to focus on privacy, the open web, disinformation or open source.

Just in case anyone feels like adding another "NOT THE FUCKING AI, YOU IDIOTS" voice to the mix.

mozillafoundation.tfaforms.net

#Mozilla #Survey #GenAI

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Andre

@ibboard "What is most important to you in AI?
(Select 3)"

Unfortunately, "minimizing the stupid usage of shitty AI" is not an option, not sure I can choose 3 options that really reflect my interests among the ones listed.

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@leitzke I think I went for "reducing bias", "risks to artists" and "ensuring that AI is not used maliciously" on the basis that they're the least worst options and "by not using AI" is a solution for each!

Holding corporations accountable would also be an option.

SuperMoosie

@ibboard
You can click multiple, but also "other" where you can add
*NOT THE FUCKING AI, YOU IDIOTS"

I added this for all options, except what country are you from, where I added "other" " I come from a land down under" as there was no other appropriate option.
@leitzke

yayroos

@ibboard @leitzke @SuperMoosie there's no 'other' on the AI specific question, but there is a comment box after it

swym

@ibboard @leitzke I was really missing an option along the lines of "the environmental costs of AI"

Rich Felker

@leitzke @ibboard I chose:

- Transparency into how AI systems and tools actually work
- Holding corporations accountable for their AI products
- Government regulations for AI

Those seemed like the most anti-AI 3.

Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
@dalias @leitzke @ibboard I love "Holding irresponsible tech corporations accountable" because I'd put Mozilla in the list, but well regulators don't regulate themselves. :D
Matthew Merkovich :clippy:

@leitzke I used the "other" option every time it was available, ending with, "That you had to make a list enumerating all the ways in which AI can be harmful, should have told you something."
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Marcos Dione

@ibboard I forgot if there was a free text field, but I should have added that it would be nice if Mozilla stayed a non profit and the corp would be completely spinned off.

Joel Takvorian

@ibboard I added "... give another chance to Servo", although idk how relevant that would be

Michał

@ibboard But there are some interesting AI efforts on their side. Like local, private machine translation models which made their way into Firefox.
Or Common Voice which is an influential dataset.

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@RicoElectrico Private machine translation models feels like something that was being handled by transformers and embeddings before everyone got excited about "GenAI".

And Common Voice is very important for people who need text-to-speech. But speech synthesis is even older than embeddings, with lots of non-GenAI techniques.

Strangely, neither of those are what Mozilla promotes. They've focussed on "what if the lying chatbot was in your browser!" and "let's do 'burn the planet' but ethically".

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@RicoElectrico I've worked in the industry. To me, there's an important difference between Machine Learning and Neural Nets and all of the good, solid, practical, applied techniques that people were using for well scoped tasks to support users versus "what if we pretended that the advanced auto-complete based on stealing creative works was INTELLIGENT (while it lies) and then everyone anthropomorphised it and started pretending that the generated slop is actual art" that gets called "GenAI".

Maciej L

@ibboard my money is on them just lying about the outcomes.

“We heard you want AI and >>ethical<< advertising solutions”

IBBoard

To be clear: You can tell Mozilla that you want them to focus on TACKLING disinformation. Not focus on generating it 😁

Rich Felker

@ibboard To them, "tackling disinformation" would mean adding phone-home misfeatures to tell you if the page you're reading is flagged as misinformation. 🤦

G. Wozniak

@dalias @ibboard I kind of assume they are going to spin all the answers to validate the "AI can take care of this" stance.

kasperd

At least there is an option called

Holding corporations accountable for their AI products

I think that's currently one of the best options we have for reducing AI usage.

Gaëtan Leurent

@ibboard
I also asked them to remove built-in tracking for the purpose of advertising.

IBBoard

Well, this is getting a bit of traction. Especially compared to the number of likes and boosts that I normally get 😆

John Timaeus

@ibboard

Answered. Attached an email address.
Explained that AI is a reason to uninstall software.

Sam Wilson

@ibboard Yep, I'm pretty sure there's nothing about AI in "please do something about being so dependent on Google for funding, and put the RSS icon back in the address bar".

ikt 🇺🇦

@samwilson @ibboard yep that sounds ideal to me, the google funding is the weakest link in the whole project

★ blue-caller ☆

@ibboard I filled it out, and appreciate that they’re at least asking. But after eliminating their advocacy division and laying off 30% of their staff while simulataneously hiring for AI positions in just this month alone…

I will be surprised if they don’t just keep doing what they’re doing. But here’s hoping :kleewow:

Working Class Games

@ibboard Thanks! I submitted various variations on "No AI. Absolutely no AI. Just a good working browser please."

MontyOnTheRun

@ibboard in a rather interesting reflection of the state of Mozilla, as I submit the form, it gives me a HTTP 500 error

Bruno BEAUFILS

@ibboard

Done.

I used "NOT THE FUCKING AI, YOU IDIOTS" each time there is an "Other" choice

Dan :nixos:

@ibboard I wonder if "reduce CEO pay by a factor of 50" is an option.

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@danielittlewood But if you don't pay the CEO such ridiculous sums of money then they'll only go somewhere else! (Which they'll do eventually, for more money, thereby perpetuating the cycle until 90% of GDP goes on CEO salaries)

Dan :nixos:

@ibboard Heaven forbid Mozilla has an executive who is motivated by something other than compensation.

Gamey :thisisfine: :antifa:

@ibboard In case anyone needs inspiration, I think we should tell them to make Gecko more embeddable again so other projects and browsers can reasonably implement it! Especially in the mobile Linux space and also to some extend desktop it would be cool to provide first party browsers with a way to use Gecko instead of Blink and Webkit but they dropped that support ages ago so it's insane to even attempt rn.

Alyn

@ibboard They've removed the "Other - please specify" option from the AI specific question, because of course the have.
FFS!

Bredroll

@ibboard I've posted an entry but omg that was a terribly written set of questions!

Kermode

@ibboard Every damn question was about AI, except the tombstone stuff at the end :-(
I want to go back to 2004!

⸸ commander ░ nova ⸸ :~$

@ibboard I don't understand how Mozilla has become so out of touch that they would think any of their userbase wants "AI", but I've done the survey

Stingray's Badger Friend

@ibboard

Survey completed.

Strong opposition to investing in AI expressed.

Thanks for sharing

Erik Nygren :verified:

@ibboard At least Cryptocurrency/Blockchain isn't on the list this year!

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@Euan Yeah, that's so far off into "technology trying to solve a social problem (which we know from experience never works)" that I'm surprised they managed to get it past any kind of review!

xor

@ibboard like so?

> What do you want to see from Mozilla in the future?

Stop riding th f****** AI train and do what the world needs you to do: Provide an open browser that can hold up to the chrome monopoly.

Schaf

@ibboard Also told them that I'm not nearly as excited about the New Set of Featues of Version 310 after the New Set of Features in Version 309 last week as I was when testing Firefox 4 dev version.

Hilko Bengen

@ibboard Sadly, the message one gets shown after submitting the survey tells me that they have done their pivot to AI and that they are unlikely to hear any message that might tell them to focus on producing a good browser.

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@hillu Yeah, I doubt they'll change quickly. But we can at least hope that it gives some product manager an uncomfortable set of charts to try to explain away!

musicmatze :rust: :nixos:

@ibboard
Don't forget to tell them to fire the managers, so that the money can get to where it belongs: the developers!

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