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Dare Obasanjo

A new study of 83,000 adults found that standing for more than 2 hours a day not only doesn’t protect against cardiovascular risks, but it heightens an individual’s risk of circulatory problems.

The rise of standing desks is a result of what I like to csll “wet streets cause rain” style analysis.

Because people who sit around a lot are usually unfit, people decided the fix was standing around a lot instead of physical activity.

techcrunch.com/2024/11/09/stan

41 comments
Scott Andrews

@carnage4life treadmill desks are the next logical step

marco_m_aus_f

@scott @carnage4life Old news. A few former colleagues of mine spent *all* their online meetings on their treadmills at home.

Lex Plt

@MisuseCase @scott @carnage4life I’m using one and it helps with my back pain too!
Plus I like walking and that gives me something to do during those boring meetings

John Refior

@carnage4life
Years ago, I had to use one to work, because I had chronic back pain for decades (starting in 6th grade), then in my 30s I threw my back out, and for months I couldn't sit without excruciating pain. Standing wasn't great, but still: much better.

When did I throw my back out? It was Thanksgiving Day, of course. #stress

Neil Matatall :xss:

@jrefior it was absolutely crucial to my hernia recovery. I started developing a really bad slouching problem while sitting because my internals were messed up. Standing was totally fine.

Raul

@carnage4life Good find. Standing is not the same as physical activity for sure, e.g. for elderly people standing might be in fact problematic because of circulatory issues in the lower legs. So they are not encouraged to let's say wash dishes (static standing) but they are indeed always encouraged to walk.

What might be beneficial about standing against sitting in the long run is better posture, because it does not enable the so called "rectification" of the lumbar region as sitting typically does.

@carnage4life Good find. Standing is not the same as physical activity for sure, e.g. for elderly people standing might be in fact problematic because of circulatory issues in the lower legs. So they are not encouraged to let's say wash dishes (static standing) but they are indeed always encouraged to walk.

trachelipus

@carnage4life IMO the article asked the wrong questions. The desk helped when I threw out my back & needed to shift my position frequently. I'd sit for 20 minutes, stand for 20 minutes, sit again. I also adjust the height of the desk so I can type with my arms held at a comfortable angle. Else I'd need to raise my chair to where my feet are dangling off the floor. Plus trying to sit on a too tall rolling office chair risks the chair scooting backwards and me landing on the floor instead.

Bill Seitz

@trachelipus @carnage4life were any of the articles in the past limited to that scenario?

Fifi Lamoura

@trachelipus For sure but it's the movement that's helpful here. @carnage4life

stephen ryner jr. 🦉

@carnage4life but if you go into an open office floor plan, you will notice every desk is at a different height and this is the greatest advantage

Dominic Hopton

@nuthatch @carnage4life can’t co-sign this enough. I use the “stand” on my desk about once a week for an hour. I use the height adjustment every day as I shift in my seat and want a different height. And then when I go to the office, the hot desks let me easily adjust the height to something reasonable so I don’t kill my back.

shironeko
@carnage4life I bought a standing desk because I craw under the desk to change cabling a lot.
Tony Hoyle

@carnage4life Just ask a checkout operator whether they feel healthier after 8 hours on their feet.

Just get up and go for a walk.. but then you'd be *gasp* not working *gasp* and that'd never do.

Bill Seitz

@carnage4life pomodoro, but with jumping jacks during the breaks

MooMoo the Cat

@carnage4life Good to know because those standing desks (especially the motorized ones) are expensive.

last robot (not a bot)

@carnage4life Cardio health is one important aspect of health. Spine health is another. Having bulged or slipped discs from extended year-on-year sprint-pressure sitting may not kill you but will likely disrupt or end your keyboard-focused career.
Standing desks can help with that. But the better approach is regular short get-up-and-move breaks every 20-30min. And that's anathema to most tech firms.

jess

@carnage4life

normalize walking meetings, if possible. in person, or remote using headphones (zoom sucks and keeps people sitting, staring at a screen)

Fifi Lamoura

@carnage4life This doesn't surprise me, it's movement that's protective. I work either lounging or standing up because chairs are my personal nemisis (my back hates sitting on chairs for long periods). But when I work standing up I tend to be moving around more too. Just standing in one place all the time isn't great, as most blue collar workers with jobs like that will tell you (especially if it's standing on a hard floor). Basically our bodies like to move and evolved to be moving or lounging around. Just standing in one place or sitting in a chair for long periods is pretty unnatural behaviour.

@carnage4life This doesn't surprise me, it's movement that's protective. I work either lounging or standing up because chairs are my personal nemisis (my back hates sitting on chairs for long periods). But when I work standing up I tend to be moving around more too. Just standing in one place all the time isn't great, as most blue collar workers with jobs like that will tell you (especially if it's standing on a hard floor). Basically our bodies like to move and evolved to be moving or lounging around....

Bill Seitz

@carnage4life or is it bad funding process?
Or both (bad funding process made worse by being flooded with proposals from people who turn out to be Bad At Science)?

Bryan Veal

@carnage4life It’s harder to nod off when standing. ;)

UnCoveredMyths

@carnage4life

Standing still has never been safe. After about two minutes, knees buckle, the brain is starved of oxygen, you blackout, and wake up later on the floor. Likely with a head injury.

UnCoveredMyths

@timmc

It's a fact.

If I stand for more than 2 minutes, I black out and fall down.

That is a normal fact of life for hundreds of thousands of people. Multiple disabilities can cause this issue.

While you might be one of the lucky minority that doesn't happen to, it happens to far too many people. Who are often made to feel bad about it.

Tim McCormack

@UnCoveredMyths Oh, you meant for *you*, OK. I have no reason to doubt that. It sounded like you were making a statement about people in general.

xcanehan

@carnage4life thanks.

For records, here is the study: « Device-measured stationary behaviour and cardiovascular and orthostatic circulatory disease incidence » — doi.org/10.1093/ije/dyae136

Peter Wood

@carnage4life

You can still eat standing up, so it makes no difference.

Tim McCormack

@carnage4life Honestly the main benefit I get from my standing desk is that it makes me less sleepy. :-)

🏳️‍🌈 Baehr 🖖 🐻
@carnage4life@mas.to

The Soleus Pushup is something you can do sitting down. Look for the instructions about half way down this page.
Andrew Bartlett

@carnage4life Most folks sit at their standing desks by my observation.

But for me it helps me move more counteracting what would generally be regarded a quite silly posture if it were maintained.

Primo

@carnage4life still going to be happy when my employer supplies height adjustable desks so I can switch between sitting and standing for the comfort that provides o.o

Tom Bortels

@carnage4life

I went for an ultrasound because of concerns about Deep Vein Thrombosis - which contributed to my mother's death - and got some of the best advice I've heard, to wit:

Don't do *anything* for more than maybe two hours straight. Not sitting not standing. After an hour or so, take 10 minutes and move around. Walk, exercise, whatever. Get the blood flowing.

Seems legit.

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