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elilla&, tactical travesti

recently I've had more young people asking me for advice on this and I'm like why do you want advice from me, I failed completely at it. I have a tech salary so I host a few queer people in need when I can, that's it, that's the bare minimum a socialist should do and it does not a commune make.

I guess I can talk about my experience with the times we worked towards that problem I could never solve, namely: how to get queers to do mutual aid when we don't know how to stay together.

1. You can't put a bunch of queer ppl in a space and say "it is forbidden to date, that's dangerous". That would be like telling cats not to jump. Bonding intimately to one another is kinda what we *do*.

2. When people are intimate they are liable to emotionally hurt one another.

Then you pair a subculture built from reified trauma, where any conflict is considered to be abuse, any hurt is violence, any disagreement is DARVO etc.; where the figure of the abuser is seen as a sort of duplicitous infiltrator to be rooted and cast out with prejudice; where the group is the first time the queer person ever felt accepted so they're liable to pedestalise others and thefore, when things go hurtful, to splitting and disposal; you pair this subculture of callouts, where the more you denounce the safer you are from your time on the wheel, against a material condition of wars and economic crises, against a world that deny us food and shelter and visas and medicine.

The result of this combination is that the first time there's a relationship conflict, both sides are incentivised to call the other an abuser as soon as they can, because whoever loses the narrative war in the abuser:victim binary also loses the support they need for shelter and medicine and collective self-defense etc. Moreover anyone not directly involved in the conflict is incentivised to get the fuck away, shut up and not get involved, lest they pick the losing side in the final narrative and be deemed an enabler. I.e. people are pushed to do the exact opposite of what we need, which is collective solutions to structural problems. Everything gets individualised, ascribed to failures of moral character of specific bad people, whose number somehow seems to multiply the more purges there are. So every relationship breakup splits the entire group into subgroups that never talk to one another again, even in the face of actual literal nazis stockpiling fucking guns, to literally fucking shoot at us. But no we can't have a gun range or an estrogen distro or a food forest, because Rebecca from Stuttgart punched a wall once when she was distressed and then she was deemed violent and problematic, and her bff Sarah who would have money to share now will never talk again to Marina who knows farming or her wife Dersima who could hook you up with immigrants.

> A community is a material web that binds people together, for better and for worse, in interdependence. If its members move away every couple years because the next place seems cooler, it is not a community. If it is easier to kick someone out than to go through a difficult series of conversations with them, it is not a community. Among the societies that had real communities, exile was the most extreme sanction possible, tantamount to killing them. On many levels, losing the community and all the relationships it involved was the same as dying. Let's not kid ourselves: we don't have communities.
(The Broken Teapot)

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cake

@elilla I've seen this shit too many times :/

draco

@elilla yeah, it's a thing I wish I had more living, positive examples of - that conflict can be resolved and relationships mended, that people can sometimes make amends in meaningful ways and that there can be real forgiveness. I have one community in my life where I have seen this in action, and it's not a primarily queer one.

Lillian Violet

@elilla I cannot slam people's proverbial heads into the book "on repentance and repair" enough, while at the same time thinking they'd somehow miss the point anyway. I really need people to stop thinking that "centering victims" means abandoning "perpetrators" to the wolves, and make them see that such a binary is not how 95% of most conflicts between people work. I'm so tired of the avoidance, the (defacto) banishments, the denial of being a community in the first place of so many spaces. Why do we all have to feel alone together and conform to this goddamn white colonial bullshit system they call "civilised society", I thought we were supposed to be beyond that. But a white person rarely loses their stripes I suppose, even if they're queer.

@elilla I cannot slam people's proverbial heads into the book "on repentance and repair" enough, while at the same time thinking they'd somehow miss the point anyway. I really need people to stop thinking that "centering victims" means abandoning "perpetrators" to the wolves, and make them see that such a binary is not how 95% of most conflicts between people work. I'm so tired of the avoidance, the (defacto) banishments, the denial of being a community in the first place of so many spaces. Why do...

cathos

@elilla thanks for sharing this, even if you've said it before. I made some new queer anarchist friends recently, and saw this weird dynamic of people pushing each other away and blaming each other. and I want to speak up and try to bring people back together, but... didn't feel like I knew the situation or people well enough. But now it's happened again in the same group, and... it makes me so sad. I'm used to people leaving, but I'm also used to trying to reconcile. I guess it really doesn't feel like a community that can last.

@elilla thanks for sharing this, even if you've said it before. I made some new queer anarchist friends recently, and saw this weird dynamic of people pushing each other away and blaming each other. and I want to speak up and try to bring people back together, but... didn't feel like I knew the situation or people well enough. But now it's happened again in the same group, and... it makes me so sad. I'm used to people leaving, but I'm also used to trying to reconcile. I guess it really doesn't feel...

elilla&, tactical travesti

@cathos I only have like 100 toots total, my feed is on autodelete so I can cycle between them

Maltita

@elilla I truly believe that part of this comes from losing socializing spaces for queers (or not even having one in the first place), so every "activism" space becomes a socializing space, so you only want to work with people you actually fancy. And no, community is learning to work with people you don't agree 100% but your minds point towards the same goal, even if you'll never have them at home for a coffee. And that shows when those "activism" groups are phisically alike, for example.

People love believing anything they do is political or revolutionary, the mere existence, so they don't have to put actual effort and actual work.

Thanks for adding a lot of missing pieces to this puzzle I have had in my mind for a while.

@elilla I truly believe that part of this comes from losing socializing spaces for queers (or not even having one in the first place), so every "activism" space becomes a socializing space, so you only want to work with people you actually fancy. And no, community is learning to work with people you don't agree 100% but your minds point towards the same goal, even if you'll never have them at home for a coffee. And that shows when those "activism" groups are phisically alike, for example.

faye

@elilla this post puts so many thoughts i have right now into words

Mx Amber Alex

@elilla oh god I feel every fucking word of that in my bones. Dead fucking on, every single word.

Nearly ten years of being in queer online spaces has completely disillusioned me from the idea of community. Nobody's willing to just take a step back and say "hey, okay, take a deep breath everyone, let's talk about [feud of the day] like adults, mkay?"

charly

@elilla

ouch, that hurt reading. And seems so accurate, also for other "communities".

So thanks for sharing

Violet

@elilla
This experience is what made me become a social worker for homeless kids instead.

When my illusions about our community eventually fell apart, I decided to put my skills to use in a setting that isn’t built on illusion.
It’s being a front line medic in the fight against capitalism. And there are casualties, there is triage, but there are no illusions. All of this is real.
We (including my colleagues here) just stoicly keep on doing what we do, knowing that it won’t change anything in the here and now of the bigger picture.
Sometimes we see kids making it, often enough we see them not making it.

It’s about staying focused on what you can provide rather than what you can’t.

But also, not doing this alone, knowing I can take myself out of it at any time and have someone covering for me, not having to take it home with me.

@elilla
This experience is what made me become a social worker for homeless kids instead.

When my illusions about our community eventually fell apart, I decided to put my skills to use in a setting that isn’t built on illusion.
It’s being a front line medic in the fight against capitalism. And there are casualties, there is triage, but there are no illusions. All of this is real.
We (including my colleagues here) just stoicly keep on doing what we do, knowing that it won’t change anything in the...

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