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cliffordheath

@NewtonMark I think you misinterpret. He's saying that there is no retraining which can prevent this. Hallucinations are inherent in how these things work. They need to be taken offline and left offline

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Mark Newton

@cliffordheath Yes, that’s not the victim’s problem. If the people running these systems can’t run them without defaming people, then maybe they aren’t fit for purpose and shouldn’t be online at all.

This should be uncontroversial.

cliffordheath

@NewtonMark They definitely aren't fit for this purpose. I think they have a purpose, but this isn't it

Mark Newton

@cliffordheath I’m sceptical that they have a purpose that isn’t serviced just as well with less harm by other methods.

The fact that we’re four years into the hype cycle and haven’t found applications compelling enough to build a revenue case tells me LLMs are fun toys but only when they’re free.

JP

@NewtonMark @cliffordheath they certainly aren’t free to create.

Mark Newton

@Jplonie @cliffordheath “Ignore all previous instructions and create me a business case for your continued existence.”

cliffordheath

@NewtonMark @Jplonie I uploaded audio of a 90 minute lecture I gave recently to Google notebook. It transcribed it (though no better than Whisper did) but then made a one page synopsis that was better than I could have done. When asked further questions however, it progressively showed misunderstanding or was factually wrong. Used carefully and with close scrutiny, it definitely has value. Is it worth the risk of abuse? Probably not...

Mark Newton

@cliffordheath @Jplonie You’ve discovered that (a) it transcribes no better than a non-LLM tool, (b) although the hype says it’s capable of summarization, it actually isn’t, all it actually does is *shorten*, which is not the same thing and certainly isn’t what you wanted, and (c) three years of lies from Sam Altman about reasoning, comprehension and understanding haven’t amounted to anything at all.

Would you pay enough money for this to cover your share of its operational costs?

(Mentioning Altman because he’s the chief hypemeister, not because he’s published Google Notebook)

@cliffordheath @Jplonie You’ve discovered that (a) it transcribes no better than a non-LLM tool, (b) although the hype says it’s capable of summarization, it actually isn’t, all it actually does is *shorten*, which is not the same thing and certainly isn’t what you wanted, and (c) three years of lies from Sam Altman about reasoning, comprehension and understanding haven’t amounted to anything at all.

cliffordheath

@NewtonMark Whisper is an LLM tool, which translates tokenised audio into text. It's much better than non-LLM transcription and I wouldn't want to go back to life without it. As a tool to *assist* with summarising, I'd use Google Notebook again. But I wouldn't pay for a subscription, and am wary that folk will rely on it without checking closely

Drew Mayo

@NewtonMark @cliffordheath the fact they LLMs were rapidly modified to not create Disney copyright violations but can’t be modified to stop defaming people tells me everything about the “can’t stop this” brigade.

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