Gregory's ServerUnlike threads, I genuinely want atproto to work. Multiple protocols working concurrently with different ideas, collaborating or competing, is good! There are and were plenty of good people that I genuinely admire that worked on this thing. There's enough shallowness and magical thinking in the end result, though, and not enough self-criticism or means of critical feedback to actually address the glaring abuse vectors, that I am pessimistic about bluesky and atproto becoming another healthy neighbor. When you're explicitly and uncritically calling it a marketplace in your whitepaper, I'm not interested.
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  @jon @jonny @jon The "community" was renamed to remove its formal connection with the actual Bluesky biz https://dsocialcommons.org  @jonny I was part of the early discussions, drifted away before they actually incorporated the non-profit. I was interviewed by Jack & Parag while they were still at Twitter: βThanks but no, not a candidate to lead this thing." My impression is that most of the discussion was unsurprising. They worried really a lot about portable identity. I like a lot of the Bluesky theory but your point about cheaply spawning infinite sock-puppet identities is something I hadn't thought of.  @jonny yea, I mentioned some time ago that the renaming to "Relay" felt a bit like newspeak obscuring this point of centralization. In the HN thread I tooted about yesterday, there's a lotta Bsky team interaction, divulging interesting tidbits. E.g. on Relays they say "not centralized, anyone can spin them up". They mention a biz model and multiple others in the works for the future. See: https://social.coop/@smallcircles/111885573051096864 I suspect they're still on a gradual roll-out strategy, not fully public. Their site is still quite tech-focused, not an end-user product presentation. That may be because they wanna build an ecosystem for many of the complex bits of the architecture. To learn yet another lesson from other protocols: have solid libs, frameworks and tools in place to make solution designers happy. And keep the lead, of course. Phone no. signup. Another deliberate friction, to avoid unmanageable influx? You're right. Thx btw for drawing attention to the paper.. I missed it on the HN thread. Wonder what Martin's connection is to BS. I am as suspicious as most people wrt their commercial strategy and biz models, esp. given their VC funding. So am speculating a bit around that, plus noticing stuff that may give them an advantage in uptake wrt other protocols esp. the fedi. Less focused on the technical nitty gritty. Imagining a careful dance and rollout and decentralized biz experiment. Oh, btw just see that there's another HN discussion, this one related to the paper directly: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39275203 @jonny bluesky is starting from the premise that it needs to make money, correct? At least eventually. Seems like that incentive always explains any bad faith engineering |
I am interested in speaking off the record with anyone who knows anything about the early to middle history of the protocol development, from when Jack summoned a bunch of bright people into a private chatroom through when public designs started appearing. Ive found the public matrix rooms and read a decent amount of them, so im talking about before that/in private alongside that. If thats u, hmu. I know its fresh history and people justifiably dont want to speak ill of their friends, my questions are all about the transition of ideas, what got ruled out, when certain ideas got cemented into place. Not shit talking, archaology.
I am interested in speaking off the record with anyone who knows anything about the early to middle history of the protocol development, from when Jack summoned a bunch of bright people into a private chatroom through when public designs started appearing. Ive found the public matrix rooms and read a decent amount of them, so im talking about before that/in private alongside that. If thats u, hmu. I know its fresh history and people justifiably dont want to speak ill of their friends, my questions...