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K. Ryabitsev
@tusooa "If you work for companies under direct US or EU sanctions, you are going to have a bad time."
23 October at 16:23 | Wall-to-wall | Open on social.kernel.org
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tusooa :Cat_girls_Emoji_004: 西风
@monsieuricon Do you consider it ethical for the Linux Foundation to comply with governmental orders like this that are racist in nature?
23 October at 16:35 | Open on kazv.moe
K. Ryabitsev
@tusooa You seem to be a troll. Explain how this is racist, or I will ban you.
23 October at 16:36 | Open on social.kernel.org
tusooa :Cat_girls_Emoji_004: 西风
@monsieuricon In this case, the apparent fact is that Russian-identified people are removed from maintainers without proper justification. The apparent conclusion is that they are removed solely because of their identity, which in this case is their ethnic identity.

Moreover, many "sanctions" by the government are racist in nature. Take for example how eager the US government is into blocking TikTok or Huawei, claiming that they "steal personal information," while Google and Apple, which are doing exactly the same things, are not into the debate, solely because the former are from China, while the latter are from the US.
@monsieuricon In this case, the apparent fact is that Russian-identified people are removed from maintainers without proper justification. The apparent conclusion is that they are removed solely because of their identity, which in this case is their ethnic identity.
23 October at 16:43 | Open on kazv.moe
K. Ryabitsev
@tusooa Heh, you're trying to convince a "Russian identified person" in one of the senior positions in the Linux Foundation that the Linux Foundation is being unfair towards "Russian identified people." It's pretty hilarious.

I'm not a lawyer and I don't speak for the LF, so I won't give you any kind of "official comment." But here's my view of it.

The people removed from maintainer positions were identified as employed by companies on the US and EU sanctions list. These companies are directly involved in the Russian military complex and therefore are directly complicit in war crimes being committed daily in Ukraine. If these maintainers want to think that they are "just techies helping improve the Linux kernel," or that "they are outside of politics," then they are fucking wrong. If they work for companies that develop weaponry or logistics used by the Russian military, they are complicit in Russia's war crimes, and I hold them responsible at a very personal level -- and that's my official comment on the situation.
@tusooa Heh, you're trying to convince a "Russian identified person" in one of the senior positions in the Linux Foundation that the Linux Foundation is being unfair towards "Russian identified people." It's pretty hilarious.

23 October at 16:59 | Open on social.kernel.org
tusooa :Cat_girls_Emoji_004: 西风
@monsieuricon

>These companies are directly involved in the Russian military complex and therefore are directly complicit in war crimes being committed daily in Ukraine.

If this is the case, it makes some sense. However, there is only vague reasoning in the commits, so the general public do not and cannot know about this. Being untransparent about why these changes take place will only lead people to think that it is unjustified.

Moreover, if war crime is a reason to not let people be added into the maintainers list of the Linux kernel, will it apply to all war crimes? Do you think Linux Foundation SHOULD also be committed to checking the list for any potential violation because of war crimes that is happening elsewhere, for example, the ones committed by the Israel government in Gaza? Do you think that it would be unethical if the Linux Foundation does NOT do that check for other war crimes?
@monsieuricon

>These companies are directly involved in the Russian military complex and therefore are directly complicit in war crimes being committed daily in Ukraine.
23 October at 17:13 | Open on kazv.moe
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@tusooa, the "directly complicit in war crimes" he's talking about are: making IPTV for ISPs, working on smart speakers like Amazon Echo, supporting Postmarket OS, doing university research, and the only connection you could possibly stretch is Baikal Electronics, which supplied computers to the Ministry of Interior. That's what I've been able to get with OSINT on maintainers that have been removed.

So it's made up. Not everyone on the list works for defense contractors, not all the companies people work for are sanctioned, and the sanctions aren't even specifically targeting war-related companies - their goal is to harm the economy in general.

Speaking as someone who's experienced this a lot (despite leaving Russia long ago - I recently realized I've lived more than half my adult life abroad), sanctions have become just a "polite explanation".

They can't openly say they hate you because you're Russian, so they use excuses like "because of sanctions" to, for example, not hire you.

And Russians who are in a better position, some who actually have a different citizenship, et cetera, cannot openly say that this kind of discrimination exists, otherwise, you know, they would not be in a better position anymore, lol.

@monsieuricon

@tusooa, the "directly complicit in war crimes" he's talking about are: making IPTV for ISPs, working on smart speakers like Amazon Echo, supporting Postmarket OS, doing university research, and the only connection you could possibly stretch is Baikal Electronics, which supplied computers to the Ministry of Interior. That's what I've been able to get with OSINT on maintainers that have been removed.

24 October at 15:24 | Open on lor.sh
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